Skidder1 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, ouch said: It’s hard to take but I’ll just walk it off or I might go for a run. Lol. I'm following the forum rule to reply to the post not the poster. What a d***head post!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: It’s been said before but Super League Rugby awards a league winners shield and that seems like a perfect way to recognise the team who finished top to me. There has to be an importance to finishing top but I think because Speedway is a pretty minority sport, maybe the thinking is it would detract from the Play-Offs. Thus making the Play-Offs feel like a pointless trophy. If ever the European Team competition ever starts up again, maybe Play-Off winners and table toppers can qualify. Every league runs a Play-Off so would suit quite well with 8 clubs. Maybe in a 4's format. Obviously the rider situation will come up again with them riding all over the place but it can be over come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Yup agree with best part of your post Steve. Buster should take up farming and killed the meeting as a spectical, but with the grading and the track getting slightly slicker over time it should have played into our hands a little.But i must admit they had me sweating for a bit, i said on one of our forums, the match is not a given, the job was far from finished even with a 16 pt lead. Cant fault what you say about Neil, i watch him at close quarters every week, and he's very good at what he does. Theres only two other managers who come close imo and thats Rosco and Gary May. I know that Neil would never take the team GB job again, and if Rosco decided eventually to call it a day, i would have no hesitation whatsoever in giving the Team GB job to Gary May. Like both Neil and Rosco, riders like to ride for him. Last but not least, i and im also very sure many if they told the truth that Jorgensen should have been excluded in heat 3, every angle you look at saw both his wheels over the white line. I hear Specsavers is very good for your vision REF. I wasn't at the stadium so might well be missing something but the numerous TV replays last night seemed pretty inconclusive. One angle looked like both wheels might have gone over the line but not certain. Maybe it was much clearer if you were there. I have to say I think people are massively overstating the role of team manager in the current speedway world, nothing much more than a glorified programme filler in as they are so hamstrung by the rule book, although Dale Allitt might make a half decent bouncer :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 53 minutes ago, Bleeds Pirate Blue said: Went back and watched Palm-Toft decision in Heat 12 at Poole, and my interpretation was MPT was willing to go down there and that's what got him excluded. Yes there was contact, albeit slight. MPT then runs a little wider and then makes a tactical decision a split second later to lay it down as he knows he's lost the position, and there was contact, so nine times out of ten he thinks a ref will exclude Jacobsen. In my opinion he should have been able to withstand the contact and ride on - we see much bigger contact in the first bend without incident all the time. It's not right to call it a "dive" by MPT, it's more a veteran move by a savvy rider expecting a decision to go his way, which the ref didn't give him. I can totally understand why Poole-haters and Kings Lynn fans are aggrieved, BUT, I'd like to see more ref's take Ackroyd's stance and exclude the falling rider for making not enough effort to stay on his bike after incidental contact. Please note I am NOT accusing MPT of being a cheat. What he did is part and parcel of the way speedway riders act because it's ingrained in them. As for the Woryna incident at Kings Lynn, my take on the matter was that he lost control as he was pushed wide by the clean pass on the inside. Zero contact, but in his efforts to defend the move he went down. Seemed like he was slightly shook up, but it's highly likely if Poole weren't being 5-1'd he have found the adrenaline to at least try and get off the track. He defo had a look to see the rider's position's and that made him stay down. Do I like this? No. I always cheer ALL riders who clear the track after a crash, but is it part of speedway tactics - yup. It's one of those where if the rider does clear the track when being 5-1'd he'll be labelled naive by fans of his team!! I'd add that while Kings Lynn were on a clear 5-1, isn't the rule that the rider had to purposely lay it down to draw a re-run, and that's what triggers the 15m handicap? I don't think that's what happened here... Just wanted to give an attempt at an even-handed Poole supporter's opinion... Can't agree with you, he went down because he had his leg taken away as he entered the bend, think condoning such riding (by Jakobsen) would lead to all kinds of incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, KLFAN said: The 'play offs' are purely a marketing exercise to keep the TV companies happy. I think in 2010 Poole finished 26 points ahead of Coventry in the table, however Coventry beat Poole by 22 points in the finals. Had Poole been able to carry over their 26 point advantage it actually would have made for a better final. The crowd must have been the biggest for years at KL, that is the reason we have play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Star Lady said: Concussion knows no borders. As you say the injury was in Poland so was any suspension. Would you have preferred him to ride, possibly fell and caused himself or heaven forbid another rider to sustain a serious injury? I'm no great fan of NKI but concussion has to be taken seriously. So sorry but you are talking out of the back of your head/ar5e * *delete as appropriate. Niels lay off had nothing to do with concussion. He was hospitalised for neck and back concerns. Concussion never an issue. I'm well aware of head injuries as I've been out of work for 2 years thanks. Talking out my backside I am not. Something wasn't right with the Niels situation. When he spoke on the camera he himself said he's perfectly fine and is ready for the KO Cup. He could quite easily have ridden Wednesday but the the guest had already been booked Tuesday. I'm sorry, but something absolutely stinks about using Ellis, no blame on Ellis at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, fliss44 said: Sorry you are incorrect I have little interest in speedway since losing Coventry (apart from the GP's) Poole were our rivals and I had a healthy bias towards my home team then. If I were to follow a team at all it would be Leicester as it's closest to me. Methinks that you still wear rose tinted glasses along with your mate Steve. I watched both legs on TV and the decisions by the ref. against King's Lynn were dreadful (perhaps the ref. is a little richer now) As for your track -- don't even get me started -- slick and boring. However if it rocks your boat enjoy!!! You have said in the past you don't like Poole because of Steve, so you are definitely not neutral! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: You have said in the past you don't like Poole because of Steve, so you are definitely not neutral! Or alone lol 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Congrats to Poole always a mistake to write em off at any stage of any season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy41 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 As a newbie to this forum I have just spent the best part of the last three days reading as many posts as i possibly can and boy has it been interesting.It is obvious from some of the posts that I pretty well know nothing about the finer points of speedway riding,track preparation,averages,rider replacement or even the way guest riders are chosen. There are lot that I would like to know about.Why the dislike for Chapman.Why is the track prep at KL a problem.What does Chapman do that others don't. What is the problem with the guests booked for the final.As for the final. Yes MBT and NKI were a big loss (I was a tad disappointed to see and hear NKI seemingly well and ready to ride at KL.A shame he felt the need to ride in a benefit meeting on the Sunday) Two bad decisions by the ref in the first leg.There was a question mark over the Jorgensen decision in second leg. I don't know enough about the r/r but it would seem to me that it would have been better to use that than have the two guests because they were shocking. Simon Lambert was also a very poor rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, cinderfella said: Got to say that's pretty poor when you consider the number of Star fans and from all other teams that contributed to appeals to help him after his tragic accident. And I'm sure he's very grateful for that but he loves Poole and there is a lot of Poole haters on Twitter which I'm sure jump all over his tweets so he is allowed to respond! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I'm following the forum rule to reply to the post not the poster. What a d***head post!!! That's very polite Skidder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Grachan said: I do think that there should be some sort of recognition to finishing top of the league - perhaps a trophy of some sort. However, the play-offs need to remain the main prize. I think there is, the table itself will always record the order of the clubs by points scored, then underscored with details of who won the play offs and were crowned league champions. If you wikipedia the 2010 season it will forever show that Poole finished top of the table, then Wolves, then Panthers then Bees, and that Bees beat Poole in the final to become league champions BUT it will always show Poole as top, twenty points ahead of the next team, so whilst the Pirates were not champions it wouldn't be wrong to say they finished top of the league, because they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Also, I recall saying many years ago, that there is nothing to stop a group of fans clubbing together and buying their team an unofficial trophy which could be presented to them as a form of acknowledging the hard work they put in for finishing top of the table, its no different to a individual or group sponsoring an individual meeting and awarding trophies to the top three riders. Thus far to my knowledge, not one set of fans from any club has actually done this when they have had a team finish top but not be champions, maybe Kings Lynn would like to be the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 25 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: You have said in the past you don't like Poole because of Steve, so you are definitely not neutral! Anyone with Coventry links is not unbiased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: That's very polite Skidder! Knee jerk reaction probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, marko said: I think there is, the table itself will always record the order of the clubs by points scored, then underscored with details of who won the play offs and were crowned league champions. If you wikipedia the 2010 season it will forever show that Poole finished top of the table, then Wolves, then Panthers then Bees, and that Bees beat Poole in the final to become league champions BUT it will always show Poole as top, twenty points ahead of the next team, so whilst the Pirates were not champions it wouldn't be wrong to say they finished top of the league, because they did. If you Wikipedia Coventry Bees it will show they were Elite League Champions in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Niels lay off had nothing to do with concussion. He was hospitalised for neck and back concerns. Concussion never an issue. I'm well aware of head injuries as I've been out of work for 2 years thanks. Talking out my backside I am not. Something wasn't right with the Niels situation. When he spoke on the camera he himself said he's perfectly fine and is ready for the KO Cup. He could quite easily have ridden Wednesday but the the guest had already been booked Tuesday. I'm sorry, but something absolutely stinks about using Ellis, no blame on Ellis at all. As I recall your head injuries were in no way the same as NKI's. To say that concussion was never an issue is ridiculous, just because we have not been told his full medical history. He crashed, heavily, hit his head and quite possibly was KO'd and even if that was only for a matter of seconds, could have had serious consequences. Sure he said he felt fine, I'm sure he did but that does not mean he was fit to ride a 500cc bike in close proximity to other people. Concussion rules are made and are there for the protection of all riders not just the injured rider. As I said, I'm no big fan of NKI but I have for many years advocated statutory suspensions in the case of concussion (as are the rule in most other sports). Maybe I could have used other phrases about your talking, but it's a subject I feel strongly about and was incensed that concussion was being trivialised. As fora guest being already booked on Tuesday, if he was suffering concussion I believe in the UK it's 7 days which ruled him out of Wednesday. Apart from that it's nice to actually see some forward thinking from Lynn by prebooking a guest, for a change. Edited October 11, 2018 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, paulboy said: I wasn't at the stadium so might well be missing something but the numerous TV replays last night seemed pretty inconclusive. One angle looked like both wheels might have gone over the line but not certain. Maybe it was much clearer if you were there. I have to say I think people are massively overstating the role of team manager in the current speedway world, nothing much more than a glorified programme filler in as they are so hamstrung by the rule book, although Dale Allitt might make a half decent bouncer :-) Very conclusive, both wheels were over the white line, shown from at least 2 angles. Chalk dust flew up. As for Allitt being a bouncer, yup that might be right up his street. Edited October 11, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, Starman2006 said: Chalk dust flew up. For chalk to fly up the wheels must have been on the line......just saying 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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