clambo71 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Unbelievable! You want someone banned for an accident, not like he just completely rode into him. From the side and back angle it looks 50/50. What if MPT didn't get injured? Would you still want Jakobsen banned? Or is it purely based on if someone picks up an injury, not actually the incident? While I dont want riders banned for being involved in accidents with other riders, most posters saying Jacobson was innocent have disregarded Kelvin Tatums statement at the time saying MPT had already set his line into the bend when Jacobson came under him therefor he did ride into him and should have been excluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 So let’s assume the situation where Kings Lynn fielded an ineligible rider in one leg of the final and Kings Lynn went onto win by less than the points scored by the ineligible rider on aggregate. Do you think the likes of SS, Starman and Lisa C would just accept it and congratulate the “better” team? I think not - but anyone who thinks that of Poole is a hater, chomping on sour grapes or has an agenda! Double standards as always! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve0 said: So let’s assume the situation where Kings Lynn fielded an ineligible rider in one leg of the final and Kings Lynn went onto win by less than the points scored by the ineligible rider on aggregate. Do you think the likes of SS, Starman and Lisa C would just accept it and congratulate the “better” team? I think not - but anyone who thinks that of Poole is a hater, chomping on sour grapes or has an agenda! Double standards as always! Hahaha!! Think what you like but I would have congratulated the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Wonder when the end of season presentation evening is this year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Hahaha!! Think what you like but I would have congratulated the other way round. What makes me really chuckle is that Kings Lynn caused all this by ridiculously booking Ellis. Karma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: What makes me really chuckle is that Kings Lynn caused all this by ridiculously booking Ellis. Karma! The booking of Ellis was within the rules. What part of that can you not understand? the rules that allowed it were crap but that's hardly Lynn's fault. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, Star Lady said: The booking of Ellis was within the rules. What part of that can you not understand? the rules that allowed it were crap but that's hardly Lynn's fault. Don't normally see you this animated in Lynn's defence.But you are totally correct,don't expect SS to understand though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) At the end of the day Morris shouldn't of rode for Poole in leg 2.. It don't matter IF both teams agreed to it or not, it shouldn't of been allowed to happen. It's as simple as that. . How long has the average rule for guests been in place.... 10 years, 15 or 20 years I don't know, but it's a very long time.... Has the rule ever been changed for 1 meeting and changed back as soon as the meeting had finished ?? I would guess NEVER !!…. Will it ever happen again.... Probably not. Should it have been allowed to happen.... NO! Anyone saying it was ok to allow are either liars, on a wind up, or deluded imho.. A long standing rule should NEVER be changed for 2 hours, then immediately changed back to help one team. Lynn's booking of Ellis was LEGAL at the time... Ford and Middlo went bonkers and the rule was changed in the interests of Poole the sport. Somerset were severely depleted for the meeting at Lynn in the cup leg 2 and they wasn't allowed to use Wright for the 2nd leg at Lynn because he didn't fit, he would of done with the +5% Poole was allowed for Morris.... How can this be right ?? Not interested Blue Tint replys, unless they are sensible Edited October 20, 2018 by Bald Bloke 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) One thing I do notice out of this years final. Bar the odd one or two, Kings Lynn fans are the biggest load of bad losers we have witnessed on this forum. We’ve had the lot. ‘We are the real champs as we finished top”. ‘We are the best team”, “We deserve the title”, Poole got lucky”, “Jakobsen dive bombed MPT on purpose”, “Jakobsen should have been thrown out of the meeting as MPT got injured”, “ if it wasn’t for the ref”, “MPT missing”, “Iversen missing”, Ellis breaking the tapes”, “Wimborne Roads track”, etc etc etc blah blah blah de blah............ Truth is if they had faced either Somerset or Poole in the semi final they wouldn’t have even been in the final. Kings Lynn got LUCKY in the semi final as Belle Vue were without important riders. if Bewley and Cook were available it would have likely been a Poole v Belle Vue final. Kings Lynn caused a major problem in booking Ellis. It was a desperate move and Allit knew it was wrong and would cause the issue of bringing the sport into disrepute. Being legal or not, it was so bad the MC had to step in and sort out the mess. Poole use of Ellis was taken away from them even though they booked Adam first. Yet the whinging Kings Lynn fans ar trying to throw their clubs sory behaviour at Poole. Disgraceful to be honest. But karma is a wonderful thing. Stop the whinging, show some dignity and congratulate Poole on their 8th title this century. Edited October 20, 2018 by Steve Shovlar 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: One thing I do notice out of this years final. Bar the odd one or two, Kings Lynn fans are the biggest load of bad losers we have witnessed on this forum. We’ve had the lot. ‘We are the real champs as we finished top”. ‘We are the best team”, “We deserve the title”, Poole git lucky”, “Jakobsen dive bombed MPT on purpose”, “Jakobsen should have been thrown out of the meeting as MPT got injured”, “ if it wasn’t for the ref”, “MPT missing”, “Iversen missing”, Ellis breaking the tapes”, “Wimborne Roads track”, etc etc etc blah blah blah de blah............ Truth is if they had faced either Somerset or Poole in the semi finl they wouldn’t have even been in the final. Kings Lynn git LUCKY in the semi final as Belle Vue were without importnt riders. if Bewley and Cook were available it would have likely been a Poole v Belle Vue final. Stop the whinging, show some dignity and congratulate Poole on their 8th title this century. No thoughts on my post above SS? Mind you I did say sensible, maybe that's why. I guess it's hard to debate with something that is correct. You would make a good politician I congratulated Poole on the night !! I have not gave all the excuses above either ! Well done Poole on winning the 2018 Prem Edited October 20, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Yes I have thoughts on your post. All caused by Kings Lynn. Karma is a wonderful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Yes I have thoughts on your post. All caused by Kings Lynn. Karma is a wonderful thing. Thanks. I though so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Star Lady said: The booking of Ellis was within the rules. What part of that can you not understand? the rules that allowed it were crap but that's hardly Lynn's fault. My mum was asking me yesterday how on earth a rider can ride for both teams in a final. Yep even a non speedway fan thinks it's ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: My mum was asking me yesterday how on earth a rider can ride for both teams in a final. Yep even a non speedway fan thinks it's ridiculous! And I totally agree with you. It doesn't however mean that Lynn did anything wrong by booking Ellis which was in accordance with the rules. Doesnt matter how many times a certain Poole person says otherwise. i just like the truth 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 She would probably think making rules up as you go along and for one match only is ridiculous too but it's only speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 And still a Mickey mouse sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 There really isnt anything to say about the debacle of the end of the season. Poole can only beat whats in front of them but have to be considered the most fortunate league winners of all time. To end up with only 3 of your original seven riders shows how farcical the sport has become. Credit to Matt Ford for making the changes but just shows those with the deepest pockets will always win. Firstly Poole had a massive benefit from the out of control Kurtz wrecking any chance Somerset had in the semi final. Somerset already down to 6 riders were now down to 5 and had to go with 3 riders in one race, yet it still took one amazing Chris Harris ride to scrape into the final. Then we see Kings Lynn 8 points down going into heat 12. Now its obvious that Jacobsen didnt deliberatly knock Palm Toft off. The fact remains that the wrong decision was made, everyone knows that..............oh hang on sorry Shovlar, Lisa and Starman dont...................and thats clearly what is wrong with Poole fans on here, unfortunately you have certain Poole fans that make your club hated. If the correct decision had of been made then yes Palm Toft would still have been injured but it was a momentum changer. Now the second leg.....................Poole now up against a side that had to replace its number two heat leader with another teams second string and also replace its free scoring reserve with someone not as good.............huge advantage to Poole and they scraped home again.....the luckiest winners in league history......................riding against 2 teams decimated by injuries and in 2 case in Holder and Palm Toft, caused by reckless Poole riders putting them out of the meetings. Now the Ellis/Morris situation Kings Lynn are quite within their rights to book the BEST guest available to them to ride at Poole. Now i agree it does make the sport look a bit silly that the same guest can ride for 2 different teams...............but its in the rules Kings Lynn done nothing wrong. Kings Lynn then stupidly allow Poole to break a rule and have a rider with to higher average to ride in the second leg. Why did Kings Lynn agree to this? No way should Nick Morris have ridden, the sport is on its knees and then the ruling body amend a rule to favour one side hugely!! What a farce that made the final. Imagine a newcomer to the sport......................both teams have riders missing so firstly the same rider was going to ride for one side in the first match and then the other side in the other match.......................that made the sport look a bit silly..................so instead in the second match one team is using an illegal rider.....but its ok because the people running the sport allow rules to be changed just for one match....oh and the team that used the illegal rider actually won the match. Our sport is on its knees and this play off fiasco has topped it all off for me. Poole did make the changes and did well to get third in the league but they only won the play offs because of other factors not because they were the best team Somerset having only 5 fit riders and having 3 riders in one race Kings Lynn replacing their number 2 with a second string Kings Lynn losing their potent reserve The sports governing body being so weak to allow Poole to field a rider they shouldnt have. The only reason there is pages and pages is because of the usual Poole trio going on and on saying its sour grapes and trying to shut everybody up all the time The real Poole fans on here although rightly enjoying being champions , know they were very very fortunate, rather than listening to someone like Shovlar actually saying he believed Palm Tofts exclusion was correct, the man is utterly clueless. Even in the championship the season is dragging on and on , less fixtures, a glorious summer and still we cant get the season done. 2018........the season that speedway league racing died in the UK 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 For your info Gavan I didn't say that the ref made the right decision. I said from the back and side angle it looked 50/50 and the front angle looked like there was contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 The guest rider rule wasn't amended, they just ignored it for one meeting only. The front angle didn't look like there was contact, it showed that there clearly was contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 45 minutes ago, Aces51 said: The guest rider rule wasn't amended, they just ignored it for one meeting only. The front angle didn't look like there was contact, it showed that there clearly was contact. Okay, so there was contact. It's a shame you don't get to hear the ref's reasoning for making that decision. Maybe he thought MPT could have stayed on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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