LisaColette Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, tellboy said: As per usual there are 2 or 3 Poole fans who can see no wrong with Poole at anytime in their existence.Just except both do have a part to play in this debacle.I can't really remember Ford ever helping any club,only himself.He is not the messiah you know,again only in a few peoples eyes. Well KL requested it and we agreed so we have helped you out. Best not to throw it back in people's faces. Though I don't think Allitt would do that, just glad KL fans aren't in charge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Say the same about Buster atm, he is starting to drag the sport down with his empty/false promises. For me, Buster has dragged the sport down to almost irreparable harm. He's done that in just 2 years of chairmanship. Yes, Ford has been bad for the sport but that's only been allowed to happen because every other promoter has allowed it too. Ford is a virus, Chapman is a disease. I will never pass another £ into that man's pocket. I'll only watch the Stars away from home in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Riss maybe but I don't think Jorgensen has delivered as expected. He's just run out of steam late in the season, generally been very impressive at Blunsdon, i'd have him on 6ish at Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Well KL requested it and we agreed so we have helped you out. Best not to throw it back in people's faces. Though I don't think Allitt would do that, just glad KL fans aren't in charge! I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, g13webb said: I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... There's one problem, Buster would have lost a fortune for the home leg and I think that would be the reason Allitt kept his cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, g13webb said: I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... Yes. Kings Lynn have a record of doing such things in the past. Eastbourne anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, g13webb said: I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... We don't know what went on, but I do like a bet and that's where my money would go on.. Average rule wavered for Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, g13webb said: I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... Surely Ford didn’t have to budge, he’d probably booked his guests the day after Brady was injured? It’s unfortunate that NKI was injured on Sunday but its KL’s booking of an illegal guest that’s caused the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pirate Nick said: Surely Ford didn’t have to budge, he’d probably booked his guests the day after Brady was injured? It’s unfortunate that NKI was injured on Sunday but its KL’s booking of an illegal guest that’s caused the problem? Illegal guest It was perfectly legal. However Morris at Lynn wasn't, but the rule got wavered for Poole. Fact. Edited October 9, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, g13webb said: I have been told that when it was first reported of the situation of 2 riders riding for both clubs it was suggested that Poole used Ellis for both legs and Lynn used Morris, as allowed with their respective CMA. Ford rejected this straight away saying he had first choice on Morris.. , Dale only suggested us to use Ellis as a common sense solution... Ford not giving an inch was the reason for the whole debacle. As for the fans being in charge, Had I been the Team Manager, at the decision of the Ref after that ht12 fall, I would have gathered the riders and protested with a sit on the track. If the ref refused to change his mind, then we would got up and gone home... . if the Ref can pull stunts like that, we don't want to be part of it... Utter, utter, made up guff. I know EXACTLY what happened, which has been reported already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Pirate Nick said: Surely Ford didn’t have to budge, he’d probably booked his guests the day after Brady was injured? It’s unfortunate that NKI was injured on Sunday but its KL’s booking of an illegal guest that’s caused the problem? Morris and Ellis were booked last Tuesday. I know this for a fact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Illegal guest It was perfectly legal. However Morris at Lynn wasn't, but the rule got wavered for Poole. Fact. Thats why Poole booked Ellis. Lets face facts here. Allit has acted appallingly by booking Ellis when he knew Poole had already booked him. Disgraceful to be honest which has caused all this sorry mess. Edited October 9, 2018 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Utter, utter, made up guff. I know EXACTLY what happened, which has been reported already. So you know that Poole could of used Adam for both and Morris both for Lynn and NO rules would of needed bending ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Thats why Poole booked Ellis. Yes. But when it was decided that swapping riders in the final couldn't happen, why didn't Poole use Adam for both meetings, keeping within the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said: So you know that Poole could of used Adam for both and Morris both for Lynn and NO rules would of needed bending ?? When Poole booked Morris and Ellis there was no issue. It wasn’t until Allit booked Ellis that this mess came about. He could have chosen any number of other riders and all this would have been avoided. Allit the total cause of this mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Bald Bloke said: Yes. But when it was decided that swapping riders in the final couldn't happen, why didn't Poole use Adam for both meetings, keeping within the rules? Because Kings Lynn demanded Ellis. Think Matt should had just told Lynn to bugger off and we would have to had swapped guests tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVENGREEN739 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 OMG - As a new poster on here I am utterly staggered at the anti-poole jealousy and envy that gets posted on here. Utterly embarrassing ! Yes, I am a Poole fan, but first and foremost i am a speedway fan. Yes, the referee made one big blunder last night, football referees make huge rickets every single week, get over it. Matt Ford has always used the rules to his advantage, but he does not make the rules, and he has never broken the rules ! If the green light has been given for Poole to use Morris at Lynn tomorrow, at Lynn's request, then he is doing nothing wrong. Of course it is not ideal, but give the man a break, he is the most pro-active promoter in the UK who tries to provide the most attractive product he can, despite the majority of other promoters consistently year on year happy to water down our incredible sport to it's current poor state. Trust me, if every club had a Matt Ford at the helm the British speedway would be in a much healthier state ! 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: When Poole booked Morris and Ellis there was no issue. It wasn’t until Allit booked Ellis that this mess came about. He could have chosen any number of other riders and all this would have been avoided. Allit the total cause of this mess. I dont know the ins and outs of rider availability but there was a lot of discussion at Torun about how many riders had gone home or were already on holiday. Meaning there might not have been a suitably averaged rider available or wanting to ride. To me this is black and white, the rule is there so whoever booked his guests first is fine its the other team that the SCB should rule must find another guest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Thats why Poole booked Ellis. Lets face facts here. Allit has acted appallingly by booking Ellis when he knew Poole had already booked him. Disgraceful to be honest which has caused all this sorry mess. Rubbish, it was a decision between both promotions of course, makes sense .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) It was Allit booking Ellis at Poole which caused all this mess. He must have known it would cause major issues. Edited October 9, 2018 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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