ProudtobeaBrummie Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 I think your right sings we could be forced to stay to make the numbers up but i fear it may be the beginning of the end for brum speedway the 2019 NL will be worse than ever and at tops £6-7 product . like i have said before the racing is so predictable and strung out people will keep dwindling away.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: I think your right sings we could be forced to stay to make the numbers up but i fear it may be the beginning of the end for brum speedway the 2019 NL will be worse than ever and at tops £6-7 product . like i have said before the racing is so predictable and strung out people will keep dwindling away.. You were probably cursed this year by having a strong team / a top heavy team. The top Brum riders were so dominant at home that results were largely predictable and with averages stretching between 3.00 (and actually less) up to 10+ in the same meeting sadly the racing will never be that entertaining. Im far from advocating the introduction of a 32 point limit but two teams of seven riders with averages between 3 and 6 is liable to produce closer contested racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: You were probably cursed this year by having a strong team / a top heavy team. The top Brum riders were so dominant at home that results were largely predictable and with averages stretching between 3.00 (and actually less) up to 10+ in the same meeting sadly the racing will never be that entertaining. Im far from advocating the introduction of a 32 point limit but two teams of seven riders with averages between 3 and 6 is liable to produce closer contested racing. again i agree sings or you could raise it to 42.5 and then teams dont need to fill spaces with 3 pointers that are not good enough to compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: again i agree sings or you could raise it to 42.5 and then teams dont need to fill spaces with 3 pointers that are not good enough to compete the problem is that in reality teams don't need to fill spaces with 3 pointers but they choose to gamble upon them. Brum 2018 was a prime example signed 3 big hitters and then had to pad out with 3 & 4 pointers. As it turned out the 3 point gamble paid off whilst the 4 point journeymen let you down. Stick the limit up to 42.5 and Brum 2019 will just track Bacon, Flint & Hume again with 3 pointers plugging the gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 If it is true that Birmingham are to stay in the N.L., I personally think that financially it is the right decision to take. They ran in the upper division and failed to make it pay under the most experienced promoter in the game. So where would the extra money come from to sustain a Championship club ? Out of Mason's back pocket. I'm sure he did not buy the club in order for it to cost him large sums of money. It seems even the millionaires at Glasgow are warning that the end is nigh for them. It's a No Brainer IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Plenty of clubs have been persuaded to move up a league over the years, and then hung out to dry. It's a massive financial gamble to take. It would not suprise me if no teams move up from the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 I think out of all the NL teams, Brum have had the most consistent noises from fans about their desire to go back up. Something to consider here is that if 2 teams don't go up then surely the points limit for the championship will need resetting? As the 38 points was set for 12 teams not 10. Or would the BSPA of used their heads and had a different set of rules should 2 sides not step up. Would be a further disaster for British Speedways credibility if one of the few details from the AGM turned out to be wrongly announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, cityrebel said: Plenty of clubs have been persuaded to move up a league over the years, and then hung out to dry. It's a massive financial gamble to take. It would not suprise me if no teams move up from the NL. Have to agree with Teaboy. There must be at the very least some serious interest in moving up for the BSPA to announce it. No doubt its a major financial gamble but I can't believe the two clubs haven't considered that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Eastbourne and Birmingham are not the best supported clubs in the NL. If they do take the plunge, i hope their fans turn out in sufficient numbers to cover the increased costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Eastbourne and Birmingham are not the best supported clubs in the NL. If they do take the plunge, i hope their fans turn out in sufficient numbers to cover the increased costs. You're right - at least about Eastbourne - and that's why I am surprised about them potentially going up. Kent get bigger gates, have a better stadium, have applied for changes to their planning permission and a Championship club not a million miles away has closed down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 I find the whole thing disappointing to be honest, why are we left completely in limbo of what the clubs plans are for 2019. I think a decision either way should have been made weeks ago to be honest, instead we have had no word. The AGM statement comes out and says 2 NL clubs have moved up, it happens to be on the Brummies website so my thought was that its not a matter of if but when its announced. Then today we hear that no decision has yet been made despite the championship agm finishing almost a week ago. What is going on? I will be at Perry Barr in 2019 no matter what league we race in but I hope its Championship. When you go to some away tracks and Cardiff people always say "Why is a club like Birmingham in the National League? its right, why are we?. We have a good track and good facilities in a good location with some great sponsors. After 2014 I was glad we raced again at any level but the club should be moving forward and looking to race in the second tier. Its a level we have raced at before, and I enjoyed so much the old premier league days of 2007 to 2010. It was a big mistake to move up to the EL, that clearly was a financial gamble too much. A move up to the championship is a big risk as well I dont disagree but I have every faith we can make it work. Theres some good people at this club. I am quite worried about what kind of National League there will be in 2019. What clubs will be running as in 2018 there seemed to be concerns with a few clubs. So bearing that in mind will there be a significant reduction in the points limit. Will admission prices stay £13 and the like if the points limit and quality on offer reduces? It will be hard to sell to the general public. My preference would be to increase points limit but that isnt suitable I know because its a struggle for some clubs. So if we stay in the NL I just pray points limit stays the same. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Birmingham will definitely move up imo ! We have got 'speedway' people running the show and with Cradley/Coventry struggling, I think we have a location that might entice a few 'neutrals' to attend. Especially if we sign one or two or 'their' riders i.e Connor Mountain if he's available ??? I think now that Ipswich/ Peterborough have moved up, it will be a dead cert that Tom Bacon/Danyon Hume will stay ? having not been in touch with the Premier league list of available riders, it will be very interesting to see who 'potentially' we could sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 And you wonder why British Speedway is an international laughing stock? In Poland they knew 2 weeks ago which teams were in which league and which riders were in which team. They are only a matter of a couple of weeks away from announcing their fixtures, which typically are published mid-December. In Britain, we don't know if we're coming or going...literally. The Chapmanship has reduced down to 7 teams, Glasgow have given 12 months notice that they are folding, other teams are on the brink or have announced themselves to be up for sale, Cradley and Coventry are likely to be confined to the history books, and I've seen promoters up and down the country having "meet the fans evenings" to explain what's going on and to trawl around for new ideas because they don't have any of their own. I wish they would hurry up and announce what is happening at Birmingham, because I'm not hanging around for another year in the Post-Natal League. If we're not going Championship, then let me know soonest please, so that I can cut my emotional ties to this farce sport. After the mooting of a 30 point limit per team and the comical shenanigans in the NL last season, I'm not putting up with the NL again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: And you wonder why British Speedway is an international laughing stock? In Poland they knew 2 weeks ago which teams were in which league and which riders were in which team. They are only a matter of a couple of weeks away from announcing their fixtures, which typically are published mid-December. In Britain, we don't know if we're coming or going...literally. The Chapmanship has reduced down to 7 teams, Glasgow have given 12 months notice that they are folding, other teams are on the brink or have announced themselves to be up for sale, Cradley and Coventry are likely to be confined to the history books, and I've seen promoters up and down the country having "meet the fans evenings" to explain what's going on and to trawl around for new ideas because they don't have any of their own. I wish they would hurry up and announce what is happening at Birmingham, because I'm not hanging around for another year in the Post-Natal League. If we're not going Championship, then let me know soonest please, so that I can cut my emotional ties to this farce sport. After the mooting of a 30 point limit per team and the comical shenanigans in the NL last season, I'm not putting up with the NL again. Sums things up nicely.It is a complete joke all this uncertainty etc.Agree fully about the NL as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 11:58 AM, Sings4Speedway said: There has to be an element of interests of the sport coming into play alongside interests of the clubs. The Championship has 10 teams confirmed at present and 12 with 2 x NL sides. The National league has 3 confident teams in Kent, IOW & Belle Vue then Stoke & Buxton likely but with constant question marks hanging over them and that's it, 5 whole teams. Without Coventry, Mildenhall & Plymouth in the league and two moving up it would create serious issues with the lower tier so maybe the move up has been put on hold until the fate of the other NL clubs is known? On what basis do you believe that Plymouth will not be riding next season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 IOW could be one of the teams to move up ? They have a lot going for themselves and appear to have a very decent promotion behind them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 12 hours ago, ancient mariner said: On what basis do you believe that Plymouth will not be riding next season? No basis other than end of season speculations fuelled by the promotions press release. I certainly hope they do return to the tapes this year as i have had only good things about the current setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: No basis other than end of season speculations fuelled by the promotions press release. I certainly hope they do return to the tapes this year as i have had only good things about the current setup. I think you'll find that like everyone else the promotion is waiting to see what the NL AGM brings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 If a club like Birmingham can make Speedway a profitable business in the National League, what possible incentive is there to move into a far more costly Championship, a level at which we keep reading stories of money troubles, tracks for sale and now even the millionaire owned Glasgow threatening to close if things do not improve after 2019 ?? How would all those fans ( don't think it's all that many) who are howling for Championship level feel if, after moving up, the club loses money and shuts down again ? It's a no-brainer for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 7:38 AM, GiveusaB said: IOW could be one of the teams to move up ? They have a lot going for themselves and appear to have a very decent promotion behind them? Almost certainly not, although that maybe a long term aim (they aim high). Yet another remarkable thing about IOW is that it is run as a business, which means that it has to at the very least have sustainable losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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