mikebv Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I think Lynn have suffered in the best interests of the sport this year, as the saying goes. Lets be honest, Lynn's team don't look very strong. You can't tell me that If Buster was running one team, that Lynn would look so weak, that's imho of course . You mention the Lynn's " die hard" fans, and your right, but how long will they stick around for. I'm not sure if Buster hasn't got something up his sleeve for later in the season. The Panthers team looks better and more expensive than Busters "beloved" Stars. I know all he probably thinks about is the 3 together as you say, the figures need to add up at the end of the season. But at a cost to the Lynn team / fans I fear. Hope i'm wrong. I think Ippo's crowd will be up this season. Peterborough will have the best crowds out of the 3 teams, with Lynn maybe staying the same or dropping a bit. I would think you are right re the crowd levels at the three tracks.. I reckon Buster will have factored it in too when putting his plans for the three together.. Posh and Ippo up by a collective 300 - 400 or so and KL level or slightly down... Net result? A nice plus.... My team get around 1200 - 1400 and should they not do as well as previous years will still get 1100 or so as a minimum I would say... The sport is very much down to its die hard following at most tracks, if not all, so I would think promoters have some confidence in putting together a team knowing they won't drop too many fans during the season. Likewise, they also know that putting together a 'winning team' often won't generate enough extra fans to pay for the increased points money getting paid out.. I am sure Buster won't get his fingers burnt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 It was reported after the AGM that the priority for Premiership clubs was for all of them to operate within their own sensible budget and to at least have a 'break-even' budget ie not paying out 'silly' money to too many top riders - even assuming there were several that wanted to ride UK?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 6 hours ago, therefused said: Team looks piss poor in my opinion. Think yourself lucky you have got a team to support. Poor or not it's better than no team at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, mikebv said: I would think you are right re the crowd levels at the three tracks.. I reckon Buster will have factored it in too when putting his plans for the three together.. Posh and Ippo up by a collective 300 - 400 or so and KL level or slightly down... Net result? A nice plus.... My team get around 1200 - 1400 and should they not do as well as previous years will still get 1100 or so as a minimum I would say... The sport is very much down to its die hard following at most tracks, if not all, so I would think promoters have some confidence in putting together a team knowing they won't drop too many fans during the season. Likewise, they also know that putting together a 'winning team' often won't generate enough extra fans to pay for the increased points money getting paid out.. I am sure Buster won't get his fingers burnt... Posh: whats the crowd levels of Peterborough United Football Club got to do with the Peterborough Panthers Speedway Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 4, 2019 Report Share Posted March 4, 2019 My team average over 1500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: You mention the Lynn's " die hard" fans, and your right, but how long will they stick around for. I'm not sure if Buster hasn't got something up his sleeve for later in the season. 14 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: I know all he probably thinks about is the 3 together as you say, the figures need to add up at the end of the season. But at a cost to the Lynn team / fans I fear. Hope i'm wrong. It seems to have been a downward spiral or at least a slide for KLS since Buster was "elevated" ( or handed the poisoned chalice ) to lead the BSPA. That had long been his dream to revolutionise UK speedway but as ever these things look so much easier when you are standing on the sidelines. I too feel that the Stars will lose support this year but I hope that it doesn't all end in tears. The whole UK sport could go belly up if all tracks lose another 10% of the fanbase. I just want to see better racing at the AFA and if that was achieved by the promotion, they could easily benefit at the turnstiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: It seems to have been a downward spiral or at least a slide for KLS since Buster was "elevated" ( or handed the poisoned chalice ) to lead the BSPA. That had long been his dream to revolutionise UK speedway but as ever these things look so much easier when you are standing on the sidelines. I too feel that the Stars will lose support this year but I hope that it doesn't all end in tears. The whole UK sport could go belly up if all tracks lose another 10% of the fanbase. I just want to see better racing at the AFA and if that was achieved by the promotion, they could easily benefit at the turnstiles. I, too, want to see at least 8 passes per race but you only ever see this once in a blue moon EVER. On the other hand I'll be happy to support the Stars giving 100% for our club and themselves, giving us wins and prolonging our season (playoffs). That will be their mentality and they will have worked hard to be the best gater they can, to find the best set ups to be fast round the tracks. I have said for years that the racing needs to be better than it used to be to bring the punters back BUT it's so much easier said than done, bikes have changed (for the worse I think), there's not the money in the sport like years ago (when promoters were rolling in it they could potentially ask their riders to perform for the crowd, they had plenty of money to buy the best shale etc etc). I guess the fact that all the best riders in the world don't want to race here any more makes a difference. So we have what we have and what we have is a great team manager who gets the best out of his team and a team that give their best for their team and so for us as Stars fans, it's a winning game and that's enough for me.... As a comparison with Norwich City football, their players don't mess about on the pitch doing all the fancy footy tricks for the fans they do what they have to do to win against their opponents, their fans support them be it crap, boring football or a 5-4 last minute win cos it's all about winning and going up a league, we ought to have that same mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Trees said: I, too, want to see at least 8 passes per race but you only ever see this once in a blue moon EVER. On the other hand I'll be happy to support the Stars giving 100% for our club and themselves, giving us wins and prolonging our season (playoffs). That will be their mentality and they will have worked hard to be the best gater they can, to find the best set ups to be fast round the tracks. I have said for years that the racing needs to be better than it used to be to bring the punters back BUT it's so much easier said than done, bikes have changed (for the worse I think), there's not the money in the sport like years ago (when promoters were rolling in it they could potentially ask their riders to perform for the crowd, they had plenty of money to buy the best shale etc etc). I guess the fact that all the best riders in the world don't want to race here any more makes a difference. So we have what we have and what we have is a great team manager who gets the best out of his team and a team that give their best for their team and so for us as Stars fans, it's a winning game and that's enough for me.... As a comparison with Norwich City football, their players don't mess about on the pitch doing all the fancy footy tricks for the fans they do what they have to do to win against their opponents, their fans support them be it crap, boring football or a 5-4 last minute win cos it's all about winning and going up a league, we ought to have that same mentality. Buster could do with another two thousand customers like you he really could . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Trees said: I, too, want to see at least 8 passes per race but you only ever see this once in a blue moon EVER. On the other hand I'll be happy to support the Stars giving 100% for our club and themselves, giving us wins and prolonging our season (playoffs). That will be their mentality and they will have worked hard to be the best gater they can, to find the best set ups to be fast round the tracks. I have said for years that the racing needs to be better than it used to be to bring the punters back BUT it's so much easier said than done, bikes have changed (for the worse I think), there's not the money in the sport like years ago (when promoters were rolling in it they could potentially ask their riders to perform for the crowd, they had plenty of money to buy the best shale etc etc). I guess the fact that all the best riders in the world don't want to race here any more makes a difference. So we have what we have and what we have is a great team manager who gets the best out of his team and a team that give their best for their team and so for us as Stars fans, it's a winning game and that's enough for me.... As a comparison with Norwich City football, their players don't mess about on the pitch doing all the fancy footy tricks for the fans they do what they have to do to win against their opponents, their fans support them be it crap, boring football or a 5-4 last minute win cos it's all about winning and going up a league, we ought to have that same mentality. Glad to see you admit racing isn't great at the AFA. It's certainly not right and to expect fans to just except gate and go though. The sport is going through a tough time so the absolute most important thing for a promoter to do is put on a track that doesn't suit gating. With the team put together the track needs to be adaptive with racers like Lambert, Riss, Jorgensen and MPT. Gate and go doesn't suit the side that's been put together. It's awful to think that Speedway fans are now happy to just see a team win with gate and go. What is the point of even watching Speedway if that's the expectation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Glad to see you admit racing isn't great at the AFA. It's certainly not right and to expect fans to just except gate and go though. The sport is going through a tough time so the absolute most important thing for a promoter to do is put on a track that doesn't suit gating. With the team put together the track needs to be adaptive with racers like Lambert, Riss, Jorgensen and MPT. Gate and go doesn't suit the side that's been put together. It's awful to think that Speedway fans are now happy to just see a team win with gate and go. What is the point of even watching Speedway if that's the expectation?? I'm 100% sure they will do the track to suit the majority of our racers this year, it's always gripper than probs any other track in the UK because of the clay content. We know they are RACERS so we should be in for a good year of speedway, you can't deny that UP THE STARS WOOOOOOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Glad to see you admit racing isn't great at the AFA. It's certainly not right and to expect fans to just except gate and go though. The sport is going through a tough time so the absolute most important thing for a promoter to do is put on a track that doesn't suit gating. With the team put together the track needs to be adaptive with racers like Lambert, Riss, Jorgensen and MPT. Gate and go doesn't suit the side that's been put together. It's awful to think that Speedway fans are now happy to just see a team win with gate and go. What is the point of even watching Speedway if that's the expectation?? It's not all gate and go Mr Pessimist, come off it!! But even if it is a bloody gate and go race, as long as we are on a winner that should be equally important?? Two of our guys gating and team racing for a 5-1 is just as impressive :)? Or team riding to stop the last place rider getting through after someone like Doyle has gated and gone? Edited March 5, 2019 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Glad to see you admit racing isn't great at the AFA. It's certainly not right and to expect fans to just except gate and go though. The sport is going through a tough time so the absolute most important thing for a promoter to do is put on a track that doesn't suit gating. With the team put together the track needs to be adaptive with racers like Lambert, Riss, Jorgensen and MPT. Gate and go doesn't suit the side that's been put together. It's awful to think that Speedway fans are now happy to just see a team win with gate and go. What is the point of even watching Speedway if that's the expectation?? I cant quite get my head around that people are prepared to watch crap racing and be happy as long as they win.At Swindon my biggest gripe over the last five years or longer is that the entertainment element has been generally poor.The tinkering of rules and averages (ect) out weigh the responsibility of putting on a good show and making fans feel they have had a good evening.Some weeks i have gone home and thought to myself god i really enjoyed that other weeks i could not wait to get home.For me the ENTERTAINMENT aspect is the most important thing without that what have you got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Sidney the robin said: I cant quite get my head around that people are prepared to watch crap racing and be happy as long as they win.At Swindon my biggest gripe over the last five years or longer is that the entertainment element has been generally poor.The tinkering of rules and averages (ect) out weigh the responsibility of putting on a good show and making fans feel they have had a good evening.Some weeks i have gone home and thought to myself god i really enjoyed that other weeks i could not wait to get home.For me the ENTERTAINMENT aspect is the most important thing without that what have you got. You have to go to speedway with the mind set that you're gonna have a good night, yes the promotion and riders certainly have to do their bit, if you're not happy with the show, tell your promoter what you want to see??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Trees said: You have to go to speedway with the mind set that you're gonna have a good night, yes the promotion and riders certainly have to do their bit, if you're not happy with the show, tell your promoter what you want to see??? That is what should happen but certain promoters do not listen. If the promoter ignores the fans then the fans need to get together and not turn up for one meeting then when the promoter gets hit in the pocket they might change what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 A large proportion of speedway fans all over the UK (world?) have always been happy to see gate and go speedway with a win at the end. Don’t think it’s ever been much different to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Trees said: You have to go to speedway with the mind set that you're gonna have a good night, yes the promotion and riders certainly have to do their bit, if you're not happy with the show, tell your promoter what you want to see??? The reality is some of the fans are pretty fickle and winning is everything there are a percentage of fans now who will just pick and choose there meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: A large proportion of speedway fans all over the UK (world?) have always been happy to see gate and go speedway with a win at the end. Don’t think it’s ever been much different to be honest. The biggest difference is the crowds were alot bigger then it didnt matter so much if fans missed the odd match.Now there are even some of the diehards missing some meetings because they have found other stuff to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Trees said: You have to go to speedway with the mind set that you're gonna have a good night, yes the promotion and riders certainly have to do their bit, if you're not happy with the show, tell your promoter what you want to see??? Or vote with your feet as many thousands of fans up and the country has done over the last 25 years and still the promotions fail to listen - watching gate and go and getting a Stars win is not enough - when I last attended on a regular basis I’ve walked to my car and thought I’ve not enjoyed the meeting and thought what a waste of time and money so I stopped going and I’ve not missed it in the slightest- that said I watch on tv and am always interested in updates when the Stars are racing - but at the moment it’s not for me Edited March 5, 2019 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, Trees said: You have to go to speedway with the mind set that you're gonna have a good night, yes the promotion and riders certainly have to do their bit, if you're not happy with the show, tell your promoter what you want to see??? Quite a few have told Buster and other promoters what they want. Did they listen, did they do anything? The answer is a big fat NO. So it gets to the point when folk say, why bother. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted March 5, 2019 Report Share Posted March 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Star Lady said: Quite a few have told Buster and other promoters what they want. Did they listen, did they do anything? The answer is a big fat NO. So it gets to the point when folk say, why bother. Absolutely spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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