semion Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, jamlad said: Anytime not a Doctor just not a fool , you really believe the way he throws himself about is ok ? He'll be riding tonight redeeming himself knocking in his usual 15 points and all will be well Surely you must be qualified to express such a strong opinion on another human being? Maybe you should consider the guy might just be suffering from some form of mental illness. Let’s hope for their sake that no one in your family ever suffers this kind of condition. Just when you think the World has moved on you get people like yourself to prove otherwise. You should have a word with yourself. Edited September 6, 2019 by semion 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, jamlad said: That won't happen he'll be riding at Glasgow tonight being the hero as usual ....he brings it all on himself being an arrogant ar@e , trying to act big and tough, he's not professional enough to make it abroad or in the GP's . Tantrums at tracks then cites he's not well , he should have been fined for his performance on Sunday at the CLRC just couldn't be arsed , he wasn't ill, once he knew he couldn't ride the track that was it game over You have no idea of mental health issues and how people react in different ways, sometimes sad and tearful but equally can be irritable and Edited September 6, 2019 by dorothy58 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 You would think that if a rider says they have these types of mental issues that there would be a similar situation to concussion of not being permitted to race until they seek proper medical help and are assessed on there level of illness, especially as Cook withdrew from a meeting siting this as a reason 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, jamlad said: That won't happen he'll be riding at Glasgow tonight being the hero as usual ....he brings it all on himself being an arrogant ar@e , trying to act big and tough, he's not professional enough to make it abroad or in the GP's . Tantrums at tracks then cites he's not well , he should have been fined for his performance on Sunday at the CLRC just couldn't be arsed , he wasn't ill, once he knew he couldn't ride the track that was it game over From someone who suffers from anxiety and depression, I can tell you Craig isn't big or tough...….Although he might come across like that sometimes. The mind is a very complex thing, Dr jamlad Edited September 6, 2019 by Bald Bloke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamlad Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, mrss said: I hope you never suffer from mental health issues. People like Craig need support not abuse from prats like you. 55 minutes ago, dorothy58 said: You have no idea of mental health issues and how people react in different ways, sometimes sad and tearful but equally can be irritable and angry. I work in mental health and I hope that you are lucky enough not to experience anxiety/depression, these issues aren't always as a result of circumstances, they can just happen. How the hell would you know what I've suffered with or not suffered with 's ....If his illness is that bad it should be treat like ScoobyDoo has quoted as concussion and treat accordingly, imagine that all you Glasgow lot be screaming from the rooftops if he missed the playoffs , double standards !!! He should take a break from racing and sort himself out , lets see if he does that , pulling out of KL as well on Monday how's he magically going to be better for later ?? If you took your head from up his backside you might see more clearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, jamlad said: How the hell would you know what I've suffered with or not suffered with 's ....If his illness is that bad it should be treat like ScoobyDoo has quoted as concussion and treat accordingly, imagine that all you Glasgow lot be screaming from the rooftops if he missed the playoffs , double standards !!! He should take a break from racing and sort himself out , lets see if he does that , pulling out of KL as well on Monday how's he magically going to be better for later ?? If you took your head from up his backside you might see more clearly My head is not up his backside, I agree that he should take time out until he is in a better frame of mind, it might be taken out of his hands as his appeal will be soon. Who says that he will magically ride and get a maximum for Glasgow, he is obviously unwell, but as a self employed rider must feel that he has to try and earn some money for his family. I am as disappointed as any fan that he has pulled out on Sunday and Monday but his health should come first. It hasn't helped the amount of abuse he has been getting over last few weeks. I hope that he will recover and get back to doing what he does best.. racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: From someone who suffers from anxiety and depression, I can tell you Craig isn't big or tough...….Although he might come across like that sometimes. The mind is a very complex thing, Dr jamlad If Cookie is suffering as you say he needs to get help, and he wont get that racing 60 MPH on a bikes with no brakes. A person's Mental state is a serious issue and has to be treated seriously . It is not something you switch On and Off But why should we, the fans, be expected to cough up a large sum of admission to watch someone who is not fit for the purpose.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, g13webb said: If Cookie is suffering as you say he needs to get help, and he wont get that racing 60 MPH on a bikes with no brakes. A person's Mental state is a serious issue and has to be treated seriously . It is not something you switch On and Off But why should we, the fans, be expected to cough up a large sum of admission to watch someone who is not fit for the purpose.. No one expects you cough up anything. The choice is yours. If you don't want to go to speedway ,stop at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, g13webb said: If Cookie is suffering as you say he needs to get help, and he wont get that racing 60 MPH on a bikes with no brakes. A person's Mental state is a serious issue and has to be treated seriously . It is not something you switch On and Off But why should we, the fans, be expected to cough up a large sum of admission to watch someone who is not fit for the purpose.. It's no secret that Cookie has a problem. I didn't say that Craig is suffering from anxiety and depression..... There are other mental illnesses. I never said either way whether Craig should ride or not..... That is up to medical professionals to advise him.... I never said if fans should or shouldn't "cough up" to "watch someone who is not fit for purpose".... Strange comment though I know mental health is serious...... I know it's not something you can switch on or off......... My reply was to jamlad, whose comments I thought was harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, mrss said: No one expects you cough up anything. The choice is yours. If you don't want to go to speedway ,stop at home. I believe you have said that before. You wouldn't make a very good promotions man, always telling people to stop at home. I take a more pro-active approach and ask the question, as to why the fans don't go anymore. When asking them to support a team, with the hope of being successful, but in truth, when we are fielding riders who are not mentally fit, we have little chance of that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 People have no idea what Craig's problems are, what help he might or might not be receiving and how it might or might not affect his ability to race. I suggest it would be better in those circumstances not to comment on his situation or prognosis but instead to give him as much time and space as he needs to get himself back to a stage where he can return. That might just be days or much longer but when he does return it would be good to see more understanding and support. Many, many people suffer from different types of mental illness. It is no different than physical illness, it is not their fault and there should be no stigma attached to it. The body can only cope with certain degrees of stress and the mind is no different. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, g13webb said: I believe you have said that before. You wouldn't make a very good promotions man, always telling people to stop at home. I take a more pro-active approach and ask the question, as to why the fans don't go anymore. When asking them to support a team, with the hope of being successful, but in truth, when we are fielding riders who are not mentally fit, we have little chance of that.... Mental health covers many different types of the illness.I would say there a millions of people in the UK with varying forms of mental health problems.Just because Craig has a problem it doesn't mean he has to stop racing.If anyone with any kind of mental health problem was to stop doing what they do there would be many,many more people unemployed that includes speedway riders. Problem with many people,is that when they hear that someone has a mental problem they think they are a bit crazy.And will do crazy things. Edited September 6, 2019 by tellboy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 10 hours ago, tellboy said: Mental health covers many different types of the illness.I would say there a millions of people in the UK with varying forms of mental health problems.Just because Craig has a problem it doesn't mean he has to stop racing.If anyone with any kind of mental health problem was to stop doing what they do there would be many,many more people unemployed that includes speedway riders. Problem with many people,is that when they hear that someone has a mental problem they think they are a bit crazy.And will do crazy things. As others have said - such instability is not something you can turn on and off when you choose ( or go to the tapes ). The decision should be taken out of Craig's hands as he is obviously having mood swings / inability to control his reactions to stressful situations. Reading what Dale Allitt saw close up is alarming and I am a qualified and experienced counsellor ( I have not of course spoken to Craig on a one to one basis ). But for sure treatment of some kind seems necessary for Craig to avoid further meltdown situations. Just taking a couple of day's off is not going to be effective. Whether this is talking therapy ( which takes considerable time to be effective ) or medication ( which can leave any patient not fit to drive or race motorcycles ) he does need help ASAP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 So is this the reason why Cook hasn't been banned yet for his altercation at Eastbourne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 He has been banned. However he appealed. Until the appeal is heard he won’t serve any ban. Obviously if the appeal is successful then of course no ban will be necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 Warning, real life. May be a difficult read for some. Quite possibly, but it's not as an excuse as some are making out. Craig's issues are real, like mine. Just to give an insight, this is where I'm at in terms of illness, depression and anxiety and what Craig could be going through. Just to clarify though, not one case is exactly the same, none are to be placed under one umbrella. Current illness started from are servere bang to the head in 2016, probably the 4th I've had in my lifetime (coming up to 41yo). 4 times unconscious, fell down stairs at about 10yo. 16yo, again fell down stairs after a blackout. 23yo, I can't remember what happened but supposedly smashed unconscious from being hit with a car door. 37yo, again can't remember but supposedly blacked out and smashed my head on the bathroom sink and toilet. Brief medical history from this point; 5 CAT & MRI scans, all clear Numerous counselling (unaffective) Suicide attempts Medication (unaffective when certain cases arise) Severe Fybromyalgia Anxiety and depression Currently on long term sick for 3 years since April 2016. Currently, have an awesomely supportive partner but when you've lost long term friends and an unsupportive family so days become very long and lonely. Currently unable to cope with busy areas, never go anywhere alone. Communication is very difficult and frustrating. Can't have full on conversations, just simple yes-no or nodding. Conversation is to much, what I'm thinking and what I can say is not the same. Some days I can't even move, dress myself, shower etc due to excessive pain. Another day I manage 10 mile walks no problem. I just don't know when these days are coming. I've had 3 failed attempts at claiming for help from the 'Department of Work & Pension' for 'Personal Independence Payments'. This pressure to try and survive from day to day is very exhausting. I'm sure now and again you've seen my life frustration spill out on here. That's another thing, because of what you see and read you really are clueless to what that person is going through. There is not 1 simple fix to each and every situation. I'm sorry, but for me, counsellors have been and absolute waste of time and money. Medication at most works until something happens. There's also no simple "Just get over it" fix either. For Craig, should his mental health stop him from doing what he does best? 100% absolutely not. The world of Speedway, fans, rider's, promoter's etc know Craig's problems. Craig's defence s simple, the opposition prey on his weaknesses and force a reaction knowing they'll get one. This is exactly what happened and Eastbourne. Craig, over that situation would have fallen in to deep depression and regret over it. To get his mind straight again will take time, but 100%, the sport shouldn't take away from him one of the only thing that keeps him saine, racing his bikes. Providing Craig has the strength and ability to race, no way does his mental health make him dangerous. The only things dangerous are outside influences who know which buttons to push and intentionally push them. The playground bully, these are the kind of people that can be claimed as unstable and should be banned from the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: So is this the reason why Cook hasn't been banned yet for his altercation at Eastbourne? From Thursdays(5th Sept) Daily Star "Glasgow star Craig Cook faces a title blow if he loses his appeal against a ban. The GB skipper was freed to carry on riding after refusing to accept a 12 day suspension for his part in a brawl at Eastbourne last month. If he looses his appeal tomorrow week his ban could be increased, forcing him out of the end of season play offs" So I take it it's next Friday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: From Thursdays(5th Sept) Daily Star "Glasgow star Craig Cook faces a title blow if he loses his appeal against a ban. The GB skipper was freed to carry on riding after refusing to accept a 12 day suspension for his part in a brawl at Eastbourne last month. If he looses his appeal tomorrow week his ban could be increased, forcing him out of the end of season play offs" So I take it it's next Friday ? Oh I see well I have never liked him but maybe that is because I didn't understand his issues, having lost a friend to suicide I am not totally blind to his problems and how they can affect you and how dark some days can get. I hope he is able to get the support he needs and while I am not condoning his actions at Eastbourne I think on reflection his appeal should be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 Good to see Craig back on track tonight at Berwick and doing what he does best. 9 from 3 rides so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 7, 2019 Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Aces51 said: Good to see Craig back on track tonight at Berwick and doing what he does best. 9 from 3 rides so far. Yes, very happy to see he's back on his bike and doing the biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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