Bald Bloke Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: He has not made much happen in two years plus has he.!!! I don't agree with every thing Buster does. And I wont be impressed if the Panthers have a lot better team as his beloved Lynn this season. He seems to put his money where his mouth is though. No one else would take a big gamble trying to save the Prem by buying 2 clubs in this day an age, with speedway on it's ar@e. I do think he want's to keep the Prem going. Why buy the 2 clubs otherwise. Neither are gold mines.. He is trying, but he does things his way, not to the liking of some many. Some Panthers and Ippo fans are moaning about him, but if they put themselves in the Lynn's fans place, I would imagine being well miffed off. Lynn suffered when he took over as chairman, and will probably suffer even more in 2019.If the Stars team is as thought, it will struggle big time.Its looking like Lynn will suffer again this season in a bid to save the Prem.. We came close in 2018, and the talk that Lynn where trying to go one better this season seems to have gone out of the window since he bought the other 2. clubs. We have only been waiting 50 odd years . Thing is I fear he is just putting off 1 big league for 1 more season only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: We have only been waiting 50 odd years . Thing is I fear he is just putting off 1 big league for 1 more season only. Of course, he is only putting off the inevitable. I only hope that his own financial situation is not crushed by the ending when it comes. Unless he bought cheaply or recently won the lottery Buster's gamble on owning three clubs ( even if for the best of reasons ) may come back to bite him badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Of course, he is only putting off the inevitable. I only hope that his own financial situation is not crushed by the ending when it comes. Unless he bought cheaply or recently won the lottery Buster's gamble on owning three clubs ( even if for the best of reasons ) may come back to bite him badly. I thought at the end of the 2018 season everybody could of got there heads together and tried to move the sport forward.It was desperate times and any input surely would of helped Buster in the long run.I dont know many sports who dont take into consideration of the paying customer but speedway still seems to be doing it.Look fair play to Buster for bailing the clubs out but he needs to start listening and bringing speedway to the attention of a new generation not just relying on the diehards of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Buster and the BSPA depend entirely on social media to do their marketing - believing that just being on facebook and twitter will reach millions of under 40's and get them flocking. But it doesn't work that way nor so easily. You only have to look at the numbers of followers or likes they have to see how many they are ( or are not reaching ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Genuine question GRW, and I say this without agenda or taking sides particularly other than being interested in everyone’s viewpoint, why are you so keen to know information which in theory doesn’t really need to be confirmed for a few weeks yet and isn’t really a secret anyway as it can be worked out through the process of elimination? Why do you think we should know three months before the season starts rather than being drip fed to keep the club in the news? Genuinely interested and not saying you are right or wrong or having a go. I except your post as a genuine and will answer in the same way. From a die hard speedway fan for more years I care to remember, we have always been brought up knowing the team has been announced before Christmas. Many times we have specially arranged 'Supporter's Meeting' purely to hear these announced teams. Usually we were among the first to know, but that was when son Jonathon was on board and the connection with the fans was important. Now the fans are forgotten and appear the last to know. Them days when were kept informed, we could take part in discussions, we could make predictions, we could have some banter with other fans, we could make plans for the coming season, in fact we could do all the things that other teams and fans from their privilege position. AS you so rightly say, most of us believe we know the team, but that only makes the situation regarding the club even worse. Every way you look at it, projects a club that don't give a toss for its fans and are more concerned that media exposure benefits the club rather than be informative to their supporters.. The team, we all imagine we know, is not good enough to drip feed to the media on an individual basis, the optimum would be to announce the riders as a proven squad, more a result of the total sum is far more effective than each individuals. In my book, the connection with the fans is more important than the fitness program the riders are going through. WE saw last year, when the riders showed their alertness making brilliant starts the Refs were constantly putting the light on believing it be an unsatisfactory start, making the program less beneficial. The fan base is the bread and butter of any club, but at Kings Lynn Speedway we are an inconvenience. At a time when the sport needs all the help it can get, you cant blame the fans for staying away when we are treated with so much contempt... 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 The other point about the drip feed method ( which I detest in UK speedway ) is that the recently announced name of Ty Proctor ( for example ) means absolutely nothing to a non speedway fan wherever he or she reads it ( or stumbles across it ) because Proctor is unknown in the wider world within 50 miles of KL. As it will be for the rest of the team, who are known only to existing ( or past fans ). It is very, very unlikely to attract the longed-for new generation of supporters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I assume the drip feed logic is attempting to keep the advertising budget ( a laugh in itself) low. The thought process being if we are in the paper and on social media we don't need billboards, school visits, 2 for 1 type promotions to get fans through the turnstiles. It doesn't work. When Jonathan was around so was advertising/promotions etc and there were plenty of new faces on the terraces. Keeping them there is a whole different ball game which can't be solved by Lynn alone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 This drip feeding rider's isn't about media exposure for me. King's Lynn could be back page headline news in the Lynn News or EDP but if you're not interested in those sports do you read it? Of course you don't. In the same way I wouldn't read about local Basketball, hockey, rugby or motor racing driver's etc if they're back page. To take notice you have to have a smidgen of interest. Let's be honest, if it's about keeping the club in the news in the hope it may entice the lost fans, well, these fans know that only Robert Lambert is of any real quality to watch, plus, they don't forget the reasons they knocked going to Speedway on the head in the first place. This drip feeding nonsense does nothing to sell the sport in the area, all it does is allow those that don't have a clue about Speedway or the signed rider to skip past the article. To get the locals interested you need to sell the sport first, some random in a cheap polo shirt with the club emblem isn't selling anything to the public. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: This drip feeding rider's isn't about media exposure for me. King's Lynn could be back page headline news in the Lynn News or EDP but if you're not interested in those sports do you read it? Of course you don't. In the same way I wouldn't read about local Basketball, hockey, rugby or motor racing driver's etc if they're back page. To take notice you have to have a smidgen of interest. Let's be honest, if it's about keeping the club in the news in the hope it may entice the lost fans, well, these fans know that only Robert Lambert is of any real quality to watch, plus, they don't forget the reasons they knocked going to Speedway on the head in the first place. This drip feeding nonsense does nothing to sell the sport in the area, all it does is allow those that don't have a clue about Speedway or the signed rider to skip past the article. To get the locals interested you need to sell the sport first, some random in a cheap polo shirt with the club emblem isn't selling anything to the public. Drip feeding riders is all about media, it’s about getting as much publicity as you can manage and drip feeding news and riders gets you a lot more coverage than releasing a team in one go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, bigcatdiary said: Drip feeding riders is all about media, it’s about getting as much publicity as you can manage and drip feeding news and riders gets you a lot more coverage than releasing a team in one go. I dont know how many season tickets Kings Lynn sell? but how could you entice someone to buy one if you dont know the team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Drip feeding riders is all about media, it’s about getting as much publicity as you can manage and drip feeding news and riders gets you a lot more coverage than releasing a team in one go. Which in turn keeps the sponsors on side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I dont know how many season tickets Kings Lynn sell? but how could you entice someone to buy one if you dont know the team. Not very many I am informed, Peterborough however have in recent years had quite a lot. I think it’s a balance but most teams are known by the beginning of the year when ST are advertised. Edited February 4, 2019 by bigcatdiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Haza Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Not very many I am informed, Peterborough however have in recent years had quite a lot. I think it’s a balance but most teams are known by the beginning of the year when ST are advertised. Season tickets at KL for many years have not been worth buying miss one meeting then your on a loser - offer fans a good deal then they would sell more . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Haza said: Season tickets at KL for many years have not been worth buying miss one meeting then your on a loser - offer fans a good deal then they would sell more . I don't think Buster is worried about season tickets tbh. Over the season he would make more from people paying a pound each to sit down. The only benefit season tickets might have is that the promotor has a few grand up front. Ok if you need it, but I doubt Buster does if he can take on 2 more clubs. He has 3 clubs. Panthers declared their team quickly, and it looks very good, and not cheap. Ipswich, not as fast or as good, but done. Then he drip feeds Lynn. Who looks like their team will be a poor one. That's what will miff me off. NKI or a like for like is a must .NKI's away ave last season holds up pretty well. At 7.62 it was up there. Only Doyle 8.95, Lambo 8.27 and Batch 8.00 where much ahead. Fricke 7.64 and Cook 7.63 almost identical to Niel's. To big a miss if not used or a like for like.. TJ averaged 7.53 at home, but only 4.63 away. Ty 7.27 home and 5.80 away. Kasper averaged 2.55 and keeps his assessed 4.00. Lewis (if signed) averaged 7.68 at home, but 3.87 away. And returning from another bad one. Lynn had the best away record in 2018. We will be lucky to pick up a point or 2 with no back up for Robert. I wonder how long it will be before Lambo gets fed up with going it alone. Edited February 4, 2019 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: Drip feeding riders is all about media, it’s about getting as much publicity as you can manage and drip feeding news and riders gets you a lot more coverage than releasing a team in one go. Precisely. Whether people think this is the best method or not they must be able to appreciate at least what is trying to be achieved. 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: I dont know how many season tickets Kings Lynn sell? but how could you entice someone to buy one if you dont know the team. Anybody who buys a season ticket nowadays for speedway with meetings being more and more weather dependant and the fixture list ending up being so different to how it is first published needs their head testing IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said: I don't think Buster is worried about season tickets tbh. Over the season he would make more from people paying a pound each to sit down. The only benefit season tickets might have is that the promotor has a few grand up front. Ok if you need it, but I doubt Buster does if he can take on 2 more clubs. He has 3 clubs. Panthers declared their team quickly, and it looks very good, and not cheap. Ipswich, not as fast or as good, but done. Then he drip feeds Lynn. Who looks like their team will be a poor one. That's what will miff me off. NKI or a like for like is a must .NKI's away ave last season holds up pretty well. At 7.62 it was up there. Only Doyle 8.95, Lambo 8.27 and Batch 8.00 where much ahead. Fricke 7.64 and Cook 7.63 almost identical to Niel's. To big a miss if not used or a like for like.. TJ averaged 7.53 at home, but only 4.63 away. Ty 7.27 home and 5.80 away. Kasper averaged 2.55 and keeps his assessed 4.00. Lewis (if signed) averaged 7.68 at home, but 3.87 away. And returning from another bad one. Lynn had the best away record in 2018. We will be lucky to pick up a point or 2 with no back up for Robert. I wonder how long it will be before Lambo gets fed up with going it alone. Yet we very comfortably had the best away record in the division. There must have been a fair few bonus points amongst those averages. I’m not saying that with a few more quid the team couldn’t have been made stronger but I just don’t get this idea that we will be a one man team struggling at the foot of the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Precisely. Whether people think this is the best method or not they must be able to appreciate at least what is trying to be achieved. Anybody who buys a season ticket nowadays for speedway with meetings being more and more weather dependant and the fixture list ending up being so different to how it is first published needs their head testing IMO. I saved over £100 last year with my Aces season ticket and that’s when £100 was a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Never really understood the point of season tickets.. Your most loyal fans will attend anyway so you might as well charge them full price.. And running an ST means you restrict your opportunities of doing 'special offers' through the season as this will reduce the ST 'value'... Maybe let those that way inclined pay up front for the season the same cost as attending each meeting individually, but give them a free programme or free car parking (for those who charge for parking your car) That would be worth around £50 I would imagine over the season, and it would then let the club do some 'specials'... Instead of an ST I often think there would be more mileage in rewarding 'loyalty' several times during the season... eg attend five meetings and get the sixth half price, you could put a token in the programme which means a programme needs to also be bought, and anyone with the five tokens can then claim their next ticket HP, (with a HP programme thrown in)... Many moons ago Man United used to do a token sheet via the programmes which actually helped them sell thousands of programmes, as even if you didn't attend you got your mate who did to buy you one. These tokens qualified you to try and get 'big game' tickets when they were an all ticket affair.. Speedway could go down this route and take the increased programme sales, or simply mark any tokens as 'declined' in programmes over and above the one purchased by an any individual... It seems barmy restricting a whole seasons long marketing capability to tens/hundreds of thousands of locals by flogging, at best I would say at most places, a couple of hundred season tickets... Especially in a sport so desperate for increased footfall.. Edited February 4, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Yet we very comfortably had the best away record in the division. There must have been a fair few bonus points amongst those averages. I’m not saying that with a few more quid the team couldn’t have been made stronger but I just don’t get this idea that we will be a one man team struggling at the foot of the table. The difference being no top back up for Lambo. Imho, it will be a big mistake..NKI was good away as his average proves. Then add Kasper (2.55) on a 4.00. Then if lewis signs, his scores before he got injured averaged 7.58 home 3.87 away. I wish him well, but it's a big gamble for me. It's just my opinion Baggy. I hope i'm wrong. I will be the first one to put my hands up Edited February 4, 2019 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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