Col Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Gosh, I must have forgotten Pawlicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Col said: 12th above Pedersen, Vaculik & Cook? All the riders he finished above missed one or more GP's due to injury. Ahead of Pawlicki and Cook, same points per meeting as Vaculik. 6.5 points per meeting is hardly useless at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 2:33 PM, leander said: Why is Madsen in? Granted he's had a great season, but if he can't be bothered to do the qualifiers then he shouldn't get a pick. Personally I think they should scrap the wild cards full stop. There is always a hint of favouritism in there. Instead if you are in the regular GP 15 then you don't do the qualifiers. Top 10 from GP at the end of season qualify for the following year. Next five go into the final GP challenge along with 11 who have got there through qualifiers. Top 5 from this meeting into next year GP. This meeting could be held at the end of the season or beginning of the next. The qualifiers could then be held on the same weekend as the GP's. If you are in the qualifiers and are called into GP then you automatically qualify for next round or your GP score counts if it's run as a series. If you are injured at the wrong time then tough, it's no different to any other sport. Try again next year. That way you might get somewhere near the top 15 riders, instead of top 12ish and four others whose face or nationality fits. The GP series cannot be a closed shop Madsen for me had to come in fresh blood is needed.I for one will be very interested to see how he fares. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: The GP series cannot be a closed shop Madsen for me had to come in fresh blood is needed.IÂ for one will be very interested to see how he fares. But it is a closed shop more or less. There are very small variations from year to year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ghostwalker said: But it is a closed shop more or less. There are very small variations from year to year. PROBABLY because there is a paucity of riders who can cut the mustard at that level. And it is only going to get worse in the immediate future as some in the older brigade start to fade. Edited October 15, 2018 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 39 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: PROBABLY because there is a paucity of riders who can cut the mustard at that level. And it is only going to get worse in the immediate future as some in the older brigade start to fade. The problem is not with the quality of the riders but the logistics of riding at that level throughout a season. Biggest part of riding GP's is not the racing but the support team you need, it's why the top ten is so stagnant, they have the infrastructure to maintain their places.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 hours ago, Col said: Gosh, I must have forgotten Pawlicki. Easy done. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: PROBABLY because there is a paucity of riders who can cut the mustard at that level. And it is only going to get worse in the immediate future as some in the older brigade start to fade. Other than Hancock, the two oldest riders in the 2019 campaign are probably (without checked DOB's) two who qualified - Iversen & Kołodziej. After that I'm guessing Zagar, Lindgren, Doyle & the other qualified rider, Lindback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ghostwalker said: But it is a closed shop more or less. There are very small variations from year to year. Agree and that can't be good. Edited October 15, 2018 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Agree and that can't be good. Why ?    If you have the best 15 why change.    7 riders have to finish outside the top 8 but it doesn't mean putting others riders in there place will improve the series.   Each year only 1 or maybe 2 will not be good enough. This season Pawlicki and Cook had seasons they would rather forget so they deserve to be replaced.    Pedersen has been dropped but he won a GP showing he was still quick enough.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mark said: Why ?    If you have the best 15 why change.    7 riders have to finish outside the top 8 but it doesn't mean putting others riders in there place will improve the series.   Each year only 1 or maybe 2 will not be good enough. This season Pawlicki and Cook had seasons they would rather forget so they deserve to be replaced.    Pedersen has been dropped but he won a GP showing he was still quick enough.. Madsen is easily in the top 16 riders in the World now he deserves  his chance.Also riders like Drabik, Lambert, Smektala they have to be given an opportunity at sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Madsen is easily in the top 16 riders in the World now he deserves  his chance.Also riders like Drabik, Lambert, Smektala they have to be given an opportunity at sometime. Yes Madsen is in the top 15 and now he gets his chance.    The other 3 you name are kids who would be badly outclassed at this stage of there career.   And that includes Lambert who, for his own reasons, won't take the step up to Poland's top tier next season.  I'm surprised with that but hope he does very well for Lodz.  He is only 20/21 so plenty of time for him to progress.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mark said: Yes Madsen is in the top 15 and now he gets his chance.    The other 3 you name are kids who would be badly outclassed at this stage of there career.   And that includes Lambert who, for his own reasons, won't take the step up to Poland's top tier next season.  I'm surprised with that but hope he does very well for Lodz.  He is only 20/21 so plenty of time for him to progress.  Drabik certainly would NOT be outclassed the other two have a way to go yet but Robert would not be disgraced remember Tai's debut GP season a learning curve and came back stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Drabik certainly would NOT be outclassed the other two have a way to go yet but Robert would not be disgraced remember Tai's debut GP season a learning curve and came back stronger. Only my opinion but Lambert didn't score many points in the SON, nor at Cardiff when unfortunate, but it seems GB fans are trying to rush him into the GPs. He has the ideal 2019 season for a 20 year old as first reserve. He'll be sure to get a few GPs to bed himself in but with no pressure for top 8 finish.    If he does well then he could get a wild card in 2020 with some invaluable experience in his CV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Robert seems to be unconventional in his career, choosing to race more Germany the uk earlier on. I think he has some good advisors behind him, turning down Polish top division seems a shock to many, but considering his age and career history perhaps it shouldn't be such a surprise. Hes done well in 2018 from a Polish 2nd div slot, and I cant see what he has chosen to do in 2019 will hurt him at all. He has a great career ahead of him, hope he can keep clear of serious injury. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mark said: Why ?    If you have the best 15 why change. Well then, who are the 15 best riders in the world? Give me an unbiased list of the 15 best riders in the world and how you came to the conclusion that those riders are indeed the 15 best of the world. Just because a rider is riding in the GP-series doesn't means he is among the 15 best in the world. Edited October 15, 2018 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Ghostwalker said: Well then, who are the 15 best riders in the world? Give me an unbiased list of the 15 best riders in the world and how you came to the conclusion that those riders are indeed the 15 best of the world. Just because a rider is riding in the GP-series doesn't means he is among the 15 best in the world. You have chopped the quote down to suit yourself as I also said 1 or 2 riders each year prove they are not good enough as Pawlicki and Cook showed this season.  My top 15 would probably not be your top 15 but neither of us is wrong as it's just personal opinion.  But it would maybe differ by 1 or 2 names.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said: Well then, who are the 15 best riders in the world? Give me an unbiased list of the 15 best riders in the world and how you came to the conclusion that those riders are indeed the 15 best of the world. Just because a rider is riding in the GP-series doesn't means he is among the 15 best in the world. These are the top 15 riders in the world at the moment. Zmarzlik, Madsen, Pedersen(N), Laguta, Woffinden, Sayfutdinov, Kasprzak, Janowski, Dudek(P), Lindgren(F), Vaculik, Doyle, Pawlicki(Piotr), Drabik(M), Kolodziej. If you need a reason it's because they are the top 15 in the toughest league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, MARK246 said: These are the top 15 riders in the world at the moment. Zmarzlik, Madsen, Pedersen(N), Laguta, Woffinden, Sayfutdinov, Kasprzak, Janowski, Dudek(P), Lindgren(F), Vaculik, Doyle, Pawlicki(Piotr), Drabik(M), Kolodziej. If you need a reason it's because they are the top 15 in the toughest league One could only include Drabik if his heat 2 rides were taken out- I`m not disputing he is class but he is the only one on that list who has that luxury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: One could only include Drabik if his heat 2 rides were taken out- I`m not disputing he is class but he is the only one on that list who has that luxury  That's a fair point so 15th would be Holder. Sorry Holder is an error, Jepsen Jensen is the next in line Edited October 15, 2018 by MARK246 Additional information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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