Col Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Gavan said: But not Pedersen? Dudek, Pedersen, Vaculik, Lambert/Zagar I had Pedersen down for one of the 4 WC's I think they'll hand out. See the second post of the topic. 15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I don’t think Zagar deserves one. Never really challenged and just makes up the numbers. Vaculik? Possibly. Britain needs a second rider. We have the flagship GP, and gp wildcards don’t cut it. Give a berth to Lambert. Sure he will struggle but will learn and get better. And he will do ok imo. Madsen is good enough to win a gp. Should be in. Make a case for Madsen over Pedersen... All things considered. I think it's a year too early for Lambert. He has his first year in Ekstraliga assuming he stays with Lublin, his final year of U21 & has qualified by right for the SEC. Krsko GP obviously makes money, would it if there was no full time Slovenian GP rider? That's why Zagar will get a WC. Edited October 6, 2018 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Col said: Make a case for Madsen over Pedersen... All things considered. In 2018 Madsen finished higher in the Swedish and Polish League averages and won the SEC comfortably while Nikki not only finishing below leon in both the worlds biggest leagues he finished a lowly 11th in the gp having missed Zero rounds winning only 9 heats in a total of 10 rounds thats less than a heat win a round which does not warrant a wild card .. Edited October 6, 2018 by ProudtobeaBrummie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, PolskiZuzel said: So what criteria do you take into account when selecting who should get the wild card. Nationality or quality? Surely the GP is for 16 best riders in the world... not "three" riders from this country, or "two" riders from another I understand your point but the gp series would be dead in the water if it was full of fast gating Poles. It’s an international competition so the mix must be international. Variety is the spice of life. If Poland had 10 riders worthy of being in the gps, then it is tough on some of them that miss out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: In 2018 Madsen finished higher in the Swedish League averages 4. Nicki Pedersen - 13 - 65 - 148 - 2,277 5. Leon Madsen - 8 - 42 - 94 - 2,238 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 5.Leon Madsen 2,357 6. Nicki Pedersen 2,354 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Elitserien2018/Rankinglista/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 1.Dudek needs no explanation 2.Madsen should be in gp series best rider outside the series been winning hts for fun in poland and sweden plus won euro championship with ease. 3.Vaculik unlucky with injury and with gp win i think will just get in 4.Not sure could be Lambert,Fricke,Zagar i think they should go with 1 of Lambert or Fricke give them some experience. Pedersen has been in the mix in some gps but hasnt won enough hts and often looks like hes struggling plus he aint getting younger,dont think he should get wildcard like holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Col said: http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Elitserien2018/Rankinglista/ https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/elitserien/statystyki/2018 Now i take it not not going to respond to any of the other points because your beat and you cant you must be NP Mother anyway toodle pip off you pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Paddy The Rebel said: Pedersen has been in the mix in some gps but hasnt won enough hts and often looks like hes struggling plus he aint getting younger,dont think he should get wildcard like holder. 9 Heat wins in 10 GPS is very very poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 25 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/elitserien/statystyki/2018 Now i take it not not going to respond to any of the other points because your beat and you cant you must be NP Mother anyway toodle pip off you pop Wow. Just wow. You're is correct English in that context. Pedersen was 3rd in Danish National Championship, where did Madsen finish? Pedersen won a GP. I don't even like Pedersen but it is difficult to make a case for Madsen over Pedersen. There is nothing between them in terms of their averages in Elitserien & Ekstraliga. But going on league averages both should qualify. That said Madsen only competed in the last few weeks in Elitserien, only called up by Vetlanda late on. Pedersen had to rely on a WC for 2018 GP qualification, but so did Madsen for SEC. I don't think either would finish top 8 if selected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: I understand your point but the gp series would be dead in the water if it was full of fast gating Poles. It’s an international competition so the mix must be international. Variety is the spice of life. If Poland had 10 riders worthy of being in the gps, then it is tough on some of them that miss out. It sure is tough if your a Polish rider. Back in the 80 and 82 world long track finals German riders filled the top three spots. So the FIM introduced a two rider policy. In effect stopping the final from being full of German riders. Unfair IMO, but best for the championship i suppose, so a bit like what we have in the GP's today regarding the Polish riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Dudek - obviously... Vaculik - deserves one after a troubled, but not totally unsuccessful year. Pedersen - not great this year, but can still be better than the rest. I am not a fan, but he adds to the GP's. The rest? Zagar - Like Pedersen, better than the rest, and undoubtedly would have qualified had he not missed Krsko. Madsen - still not heard any specifics, but it doesn't appear he is a candidate. Lambert - Perhaps a year early, but has the potential, I feel. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, tyler42 said: It sure is tough if your a Polish rider. Back in the 80 and 82 world long track finals German riders filled the top three spots. So the FIM introduced a two rider policy. In effect stopping the final from being full of German riders. Unfair IMO, but best for the championship i suppose, so a bit like what we have in the GP's today regarding the Polish riders. Same with the Russians in ice-racing... Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, chunky said: Dudek - obviously... Vaculik - deserves one after a troubled, but not totally unsuccessful year. Pedersen - not great this year, but can still be better than the rest. I am not a fan, but he adds to the GP's. The rest? Zagar - Like Pedersen, better than the rest, and undoubtedly would have qualified had he not missed Krsko. Madsen - still not heard any specifics, but it doesn't appear he is a candidate. Lambert - Perhaps a year early, but has the potential, I feel. Steve It’s between madsen or Pedersen, heard that from the horses mouth tonight and as much as I would like to see lambert does he really deserve one over smektala ? Holder cook and pawlicki are definatly out of running, dudek is one, of all agree then they will be released tomorrow night Edited October 7, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: It’s between madsen or Pedersen, heard that from the horses mouth tonight and as much as I would like to see lambert does he really deserve one over smektala ? Holder cook and pawlicki are definatly out of running, dudek is one, of all agree then they will be released tomorrow night That's not totally surprising, although - as I said - it did seem a strange situation with Madsen; just didn't know what or who to believe! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 8 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Have i missed something but why do people think vaclav Milik Deserves a wild card last time i looked he was 38th in the Polish League but 13th in the Swedish league (higher then Lambert, Dudek, Vaculik, Smektala.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Col said: http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Elitserien2018/Rankinglista/ 6 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/elitserien/statystyki/2018 Now i take it not not going to respond to any of the other points because your beat and you cant you must be NP Mother anyway toodle pip off you pop Svemos's average is the official average (without bonus). I'm not sure where SF gets their averages but their's are not official averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Dudek, Nicki P, Vaculik then I think you’ll have either Fricke/Lambert for the last place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 vaculik dudek madsen cook or lambert need two brits in the gps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, ray c said: vaculik dudek madsen cook or lambert need two brits in the gps Why?? We only need two if they can compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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