gee jay Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, adonis said: The Poles din't take long to Suss Doyle's firast bend bullying and put a stop to it , why have they not caught on to woffinden he's done the same stunt so many times it's almost like it's scripted . if I didn't see woffinden at the first turn i would go straight for the kerb because I would know thats where he would be i don't know i'm not polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 20 hours ago, chunky said: ...and every final was held on his home track... Steve what in port talbot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, steve roberts said: The GP series is basically an 'invitation' series of meetings as was often stated by no greater rider than Ivan Mauger himself. Not really .basically is the best riders in the world riding over a series of meetings that nearly always shows who the best rider is .The old format was a luck fest that ended up with a final that never had a chance of ever having the best 16riders in the world and always ended with 6 to 8 no hopers . it akin to a raffle most of the time . Edited October 6, 2018 by orion 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, orion said: Not really .basically is the best riders in the world rider over a series of meeting that nearly always shows who the best rider is .The old format was a luck fest that ended up with a final that never had a chance of ever having the best 16riders in the world and always ended with 6 to 8 no hopers . it akin to a raffle most of the time . ...except, of course, the GPs run, or used to run, with a system of Wild Cards and/or riders who are/were purely there for home interest and/or boosting television viewing figures or has that system been scrapped? Edited October 6, 2018 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, adonis said: The Poles din't take long to Suss Doyle's firast bend bullying and put a stop to it , why have they not caught on to woffinden he's done the same stunt so many times it's almost like it's scripted . if I didn't see woffinden at the first turn i would go straight for the kerb because I would know thats where he would be No point because they will kill their speed and he'll ride around them, seems he is the only one can stay quite so tight and still carry speed down the straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, orion said: Not really .basically is the best riders in the world riding over a series of meetings that nearly always shows who the best rider is .The old format was a luck fest that ended up with a final that never had a chance of ever having the best 16riders in the world and always ended with 6 to 8 no hopers . it akin to a raffle most of the time . Bang on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Bang on! ..Yes but is it not true that in some rounds riders are seeded as was the case with this year's German Grand Prix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 As has been stated, you cannot compare eras. I'm sure all the top riders of today would have just been as good back in the day and visa versa. People who say the old world finals were pot luck, are not showing the respect the riders back then deserve. People with long memories will remember how hard the British final was. I think there were a lot of casualties over the years of top riders not progressing to the next round. Have a look at the 1970 early to mid 80s stats. only Ivan 3 times, Michael Lee twice and Kenny Carter twice were multi winners. Total different mind set needed in both eras. Back then the pressure of qualifying to get to the world final was fraught with danger for the top boys. Every round could throw up a banana skin and if you did get to the final, you only got 5 rides to get it spot on. one mistake and generally speaking it was curtains. Today is all about being consistent, you can have a bad meeting and it will not affect you too much. To win over a season you still need the whole package and TW has certainly proved that. Anyway lets all enjoy TW success and say he is the Best British rider in the GP era, but of all time? open to a never ending debate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 Thing about GPs is that one can win the World Title without winning a meeting, or even making half the finals. Whether that's right is down to opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Barney Rabbit said: Thing about GPs is that one can win the World Title without winning a meeting, or even making half the finals. Whether that's right is down to opinion. I really don’t see the problem.Baring injury the best rider wins in the end and has the bottle to take the title.In a one day final just as in the GPs you get to a situation where you realize you can win the title and lesser riders lose their bottle whilst champs don’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, iris123 said: I really don’t see the problem.Baring injury the best rider wins in the end and has the bottle to take the title.In a one day final just as in the GPs you get to a situation where you realize you can win the title and lesser riders lose their bottle whilst champs don’t And Woffinden didn't 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 hours ago, steve roberts said: ..Yes but is it not true that in some rounds riders are seeded as was the case with this year's German Grand Prix? Every GP has a local "wild card". However, those wild cards can not become World Champion. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Barney Rabbit said: Thing about GPs is that one can win the World Title without winning a meeting, or even making half the finals. Whether that's right is down to opinion. As with any GP system or league format, the winner is the one with the most points... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 28 minutes ago, chunky said: As with any GP system or league format, the winner is the one with the most points... Steve Not 100% true, as tonight result proved. TW won the meeting scoring 5pts less than Laguta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 I think the one offs would have suited Tai even more, the Poles seem to crumble under pressure 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, chunky said: As with any GP system or league format, the winner is the one with the most points... Steve Really? Tai proved otherwise today and Poole could well prove otherwise (again) in a few days time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 52 minutes ago, tyler42 said: Not 100% true, as tonight result proved. TW won the meeting scoring 5pts less than Laguta Clearly he meant overall, not on the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Barney Rabbit said: Really? Tai proved otherwise today and Poole could well prove otherwise (again) in a few days time. It's always good to see someone totally contradict themselves. You whinge a rider can become World Champion without winning a GP.. even though they've scored the most points over a season. Now you're whinging when a rider wins a GP and hasn't scored the most points. Woffinden won the World Title and he won the GP in the process. Edited October 6, 2018 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Barney Rabbit said: Really? Tai proved otherwise today and Poole could well prove otherwise (again) in a few days time. He clearly meant overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BWitcher said: It's always good to see someone totally contradict themselves. You whinge a rider can become World Champion without winning a GP.. even though they've scored the most points over a season. Now you're whinging when a rider wins a GP and hasn't scored the most points. Woffinden won the World Title and he won the GP in the process. I've stated a rider can become World Champion without winning a meeting which is a point against GPs (in my opinion) I've also said a rider can win a meeting without scoring most points which again, is a point against the GP system (in my opinion) In the older system a rider had to score most points (or equal most and win a run-off) to win the meeting to win the Championship. So could not win a meeting by scoring fewer points than a rival (as Tai did today) at the meeting so could not be Champion without winning a meeting. Where's the contradiction? Edited October 6, 2018 by Barney Rabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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