MARK246 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, geoff100 said: A bad speedway race beats f1 everytime ,they practice for 3 days put the fastest at the front and call it "racing" sky spent millions for the rights to f1 yet can sum it up in 1 sentance after every race "lewis hamilton lead from start to finish".luv it when the guy on the mike says such and such is 1000th of a second behind the leaader and u look hes half a lap behind with no chance of a pass lol. All this and sponsors flock to have their name on a car in two inch letters. Speedway had millions and similar air time yet came out bankrupt, in the real world (outside of this forum) nobody else agrees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter65 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 GP speedway racing is actually better now than ever I would say...most GP's are better than any meeting I can remember from the 70's and 80's However both my son's have zero interest in speedway..and that's despite having an uncle that rode in the top division in the 80's and early 90's....but they are huge F1 fans...in fact my 13 year old could describe every car, every driver, every track ..and my 20 year old went to Silverstone this year for the first time and came back buzzing...ask them to stay on the same room when I'm watching speedway on TV and you've got no chance.... So I don't know what the answer is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) I've said this before but I enjoy most forms of motorsport, F1 can be a high-speed procession and the recent GP in Japan made the Suzuka circuit appear quite dull, which it sure ain't; many incedents have occured deciding many titles there. But surprisingly as an ex-biker I can't abide MotoGP, BSB, Superbikes, whatever, though I love the IOM TT, or be bothered to work out the different categories of bikes or watch them queueing in single file up for lap after lap waiting for a mistake, EF or fall, after a few laps or so I change the channel,. But, getting to the point, I can watch F1 from beginning to end. Boring for us to all like the same things; pinching another poster's punchline, "I'll get my coat"...... Edited October 11, 2018 by martinmauger grammar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Trotter65 said: GP speedway racing is actually better now than ever I would say...most GP's are better than any meeting I can remember from the 70's and 80's However both my son's have zero interest in speedway..and that's despite having an uncle that rode in the top division in the 80's and early 90's....but they are huge F1 fans...in fact my 13 year old could describe every car, every driver, every track ..and my 20 year old went to Silverstone this year for the first time and came back buzzing...ask them to stay on the same room when I'm watching speedway on TV and you've got no chance.... So I don't know what the answer is Not sure where you're watching all this great speedway in Britain or in the GP series. With the very odd exception, the speedway on TV from the UK and the GP series this year have been quite dull. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, iwright71 said: Not sure where you're watching all this great speedway in Britain or in the GP series. With the very odd exception, the speedway on TV from the UK and the GP series this year have been quite dull. The gp series has been dull? I can only assume you have always found speedway dull. Gp series has been excellent, as was the SoN. And pretty much everything from the NSS. Racing in ekstraliga has been typically good as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, iwright71 said: Not sure where you're watching all this great speedway in Britain or in the GP series. With the very odd exception, the speedway on TV from the UK and the GP series this year have been quite dull. Don't think the poster mentioned British Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter65 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 Yes..I cannot say I've been over thrilled with British League racing on TV this year, apart from the Belle Vue ones....but honestly I think the GP' s have in the main been quality and better than most of the fare served up back in the 70's and 80's... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 11:46 AM, geoff100 said: A bad speedway race beats f1 everytime ,they practice for 3 days put the fastest at the front and call it "racing" sky spent millions for the rights to f1 yet can sum it up in 1 sentance after every race "lewis hamilton lead from start to finish".luv it when the guy on the mike says such and such is 1000th of a second behind the leaader and u look hes half a lap behind with no chance of a pass lol. More like "we're hoping to be quicker than the other teams at the pit stops", little comment about passing them on track.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 12 hours ago, waiheke1 said: The gp series has been dull? I can only assume you have always found speedway dull. Gp series has been excellent, as was the SoN. And pretty much everything from the NSS. Racing in ekstraliga has been typically good as well. Which Speedway GP's from this year would get in the all time top ten ? None of them. I've watched 5 GP's live this year and bizarrely the best GP's have been on temporary tracks, Cardiff and Warsaw. went to Krsko and Gorzow to see very little only slightly better in Torun. Regularly watch the 2010 box set on DVD to remind me just how good it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter65 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 2010 is hardly the golden period people keep going on about...people go on about racing from the 70's and 80's and the current GP meetings can beat nearly all of these meetings in my opinion...they were probably good in 2010 as well but I cannot remember but I attended 100's of meetings at all levels in the 70's and 80's and today's GP meetings can beat most of those.....League racing in England is different matter however.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 hours ago, iwright71 said: Which Speedway GP's from this year would get in the all time top ten ? None of them. I've watched 5 GP's live this year and bizarrely the best GP's have been on temporary tracks, Cardiff and Warsaw. went to Krsko and Gorzow to see very little only slightly better in Torun. Regularly watch the 2010 box set on DVD to remind me just how good it used to be. Top 10 of all time is perhaps an unrealistic benchmark? By definition you'd expect only one such meeting every couple of seasons. There were 2 or 3 poor GPs , the rest were good to excellent imo. Personally think the last few seasons have been amongst the very best in the gp era, and better than most world finals from 69 onwards (can't comment on pre the recording era) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) On 10/12/2018 at 7:16 PM, Trotter65 said: 2010 is hardly the golden period people keep going on about...people go on about racing from the 70's and 80's and the current GP meetings can beat nearly all of these meetings in my opinion...they were probably good in 2010 as well but I cannot remember but I attended 100's of meetings at all levels in the 70's and 80's and today's GP meetings can beat most of those.....League racing in England is different matter however.. I think people look back and think there was no good World Finals. Just watched the 73 and 76 World Finals from Katowice . Some great speedway particularly from Ivan , Ole and Peter Collins Edited October 14, 2018 by iwright71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, iwright71 said: I think people look back and think there was no good World Finals. Just watched the 73 and 76 World Finals from Katowice . Some great speedway particularly from Ivan , Ole and Peter Collins I also think that the 1972 Final had everything...drama, controversy and some good racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) F1 is the worst and must stupid sport in the world ..the best drivers in cars that are fastest and better than the rest and they also get a head start ...but it is still watch by millions of people worldwide ..why I will never know . Edited October 14, 2018 by orion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, orion said: F1 is the worst and stupid sport in the world ..the best drivers in cars that are fastest and better than the rest and they also get a head start ...but it is still watch by millions of people worldwide ..why I will never know . Of course on the face of it stock cars should beat F1 easily.The best drivers start at the back don't they?And as Tai said about speedway,you can see all the action from your spot.Now if they gave the best speedway riders a head start,what would people say about the sport???? Maybe promoters are missing a trick there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, orion said: F1 is the worst and must stupid sport in the world ..the best drivers in cars that are fastest and better than the rest and they also get a head start ...but it is still watch by millions of people worldwide ..why I will never know . Pretty much spot on ^. Mostly about the fastest cars, the rest making up the numbers, racing at 200MPH knowing you have zip chance unless 3/4 of the field drop out, gotta be soul-destroying. A few peeps told me that for each race there should be a ballot so everyone gets a chance in every car. Back onto speedway, maybe promoters should mix things up from time to time with handicap racing, 12 or 16 lappers, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 11:25 PM, orion said: F1 is the worst and must stupid sport in the world ..the best drivers in cars that are fastest and better than the rest and they also get a head start ...but it is still watch by millions of people worldwide ..why I will never know . Because it has been marketed supremely well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Also big car companies & loads of cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 12:38 PM, MARK246 said: All this and sponsors flock to have their name on a car in two inch letters. Speedway had millions and similar air time yet came out bankrupt, in the real world (outside of this forum) nobody else agrees. What you mean to say is 'in the real world' people are told what to like and what not to like. Folk are told Formula One is 'cool'.. Speedway is 'not'. Matters not with many what they actually genuinely prefer, they'll just follow the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, BWitcher said: What you mean to say is 'in the real world' people are told what to like and what not to like. Folk are told Formula One is 'cool'.. Speedway is 'not'. Matters not with many what they actually genuinely prefer, they'll just follow the crowd. Correct.. Tennis is another example... For donkeys years Britain had no chance of a Grand Slam winner yet for two weeks every summer you had hundreds of hours of coverage, watched by people who hadn't heard of 90% of competitors. Public courts actually had players on them too.. The day after the final no one gave a toss once more about Tennis until the same two weeks the year after.. Sometimes minority sports in the UK, like Tennis and Formula One, simply get their coverage down to the huge sponsorship which is attracted by its global following.. It becomes such a cash cow that it simply will never be allowed to disappear off the TV screens and newspapers regardless of the actual following.. And the reason it becomes such a cash cow is largely down to the socio economic grouping of its followers.. Plenty of A's and B's, white middle class, males and females, covering a wide demographic.... Perfect for high end companies sponsorship... Speedway on the other hand has a somewhat different profile of followers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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