Poole v King’s Lynn Premiership Grand Final 1st leg 08/10/18

[Bald Bloke]

Is it legal for a team to use a rider over the allowed average from yesterday. I bet that's a one time offer

Bellego for MPT is less a difference than Morris for Kurtz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited October 9, 2018 by Bald Bloke

[bigcatdiary]

15 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Lets get one thing straight- as from Yesterday it is illegal for a guest to ride for both teams in a two- legged tie in the Premiership and Championship- rule amendment SR 1810 issued 8th October 

https://www.scbgb.co.uk/regulations

I am now waiting for another SR to see how they word the rule amendment that allows Morris to guest for Kurtz  in an away match  

I think you are going to be waiting, check your inbox

[BurntFaceMan]

5 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Who requested it is irrelevant. If Morris rides, he is an illegal guest as per the rules of the sport.

Why bother having rules? 

The rules were changed, what part of that don't you understand? It was entirely legal. 

[BWitcher]

31 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

The rules were changed, what part of that don't you understand? It was entirely legal. 

The rules were 'changed'.

Exactly. What credible sport changes rules with one meeting to go in a season. The answer is none. 

Why weren't the rules changed last season when Wolverhampton had their top two riders injured? It would have looked a lot more 'credible' for their own asset Tai Woffinden to ride than hire someone from another team wouldn't it? Quite rightly though, as per the rules, it wasn't allowed.

Just the statement 'the rules were changed' sums up what is wrong with the sport and is one of the key reasons it finds itself in the mess it is in this country.

You're happy the sport is going down the plughole over here.. I'm not. We'll leave it at that.

[speedwaysliders]

On 10/8/2018 at 10:32 PM, Ghosty said:

I am a complete neutral, have been involved in speedway for over 50 years (including riding a bit) only watched the last 5 heats as I had other commitments, but what I saw was Poole + the referee v. Kings Lynn!!!!! speedway digs itself future in it's grave..........   

100% agree,im watching as a neutral,and cant understand how the ref came to exclude MPT,would love to know if the SCB have a refs debrief and what was said by the referee to make a decision like that.The rider who knocked him off was all over the place running into the corner ,really would love to know the refs views on why he made his decision.Maybe speedway star editor can get a word with him!!!!!

[Daniel Smith]

King's Lynn ARE the reason all this has kicked off.

Poole had Ellis and Morris booked as guests for Kurtz.

King's Lynn booking Ellis for Monday, although not against the rule, made the sport look a total embarrassment by swapping guests for each leg.

If everyone was totally honest with themselves, King's Lynn should have been made to find an alternative guest. Poole should have kept Morris and Ellis.

There are other alternatives out there and Poole should have NO blame. 

There were alternatives available to King's Lynn, i.e. R/R, Jacob Thorssell, Hans Andersen, Ricky Wells and David Bellego. The first 3 being much clearer options.

Stars fans 'disgracing' Poole and it's supporters for it's blinkered views are exactly the same. 

This whole sorry mess all started from King's Lynn 'disgracing' the sport and we all shouldn't get away from that.

Yes there were terrible decisions from the referee in the meeting but these wouldn't have been as bigger issues had King's Lynn not gone 18 points down in the first 5 heats. We displayed an embarrassing start to the meeting. 

Also, just remember, had Jakobsen been excluded instead of MPT, he was still injured. Had he come out for the rerun as the adrenaline was flowing, 100% would have pulled up in that heat with a broken wrist. Result; 51-38.

Although a bit of fighting spirit was shown by King's Lynn mid meeting it was still a pretty abysmal performance. 

People should wind their necks in, focus on tonight and try to turn this result around fair and square with what we've got.

Regardless of whether Ellis and Howarth score 0, King's Lynn need 8+ from all of Jorgensen, Riss and Proctor. Double figures from R.Lambert to be expected and 3-4 from S.Lambert. Any points from Ellis and Howarth should be looked at as a bonus.

We have to go into this meeting with our minds set as a 5 man team and our middle order has to be on form. If one of Jorgensen, Riss or Proctor flop, quite frankly we're in the poop and we only have ourselves to blame for the appalling display in the first leg. 

Fingers crossed all rider's end the night safely, both sets of fans have an enjoyable evening and the world becomes a happy place again. 

May the best team over the 2 legs win and good luck all

[Steve0]

6 hours ago, BurntFaceMan said:

The rules were changed, what part of that don't you understand? It was entirely legal. 

The rule wasn’t changed - show us the new rule that makes Morris legal to ride at KL!

Edited October 10, 2018 by Steve0

[BurntFaceMan]

43 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

The rule wasn’t changed - show us the new rule that makes Morris legal to ride at KL!

Don't be a prat. There are only 2 teams affected by the change. Both teams were in favour and it was ratified by the SCB. 

[Steve0]

2 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

Don't be a prat. There are only 2 teams affected by the change. Both teams were in favour and it was ratified by the SCB. 

You are condoning a blatant breaking of the rules - and you call me a prat?

[Trees]

Watched the TV coverage last night, certainly cemented all our thoughts about the ref!! 

[lisa-colette]

20 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

You are condoning a blatant breaking of the rules - and you call me a prat?

How is it breaking the rules  if they changed the rules to allow it? 

[Grachan]

15 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

How is it breaking the rules  if they changed the rules to allow it? 

Have they though?

As Racers and Royals pointed out on the previous page, the only amendment seems to be that a rider cannot guest for both sides in the play offs. There's nothing about the 5% allowance being allowed for away fixtures.

[arnieg]

54 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

Don't be a prat. There are only 2 teams affected by the change. Both teams were in favour and it was ratified by the SCB. 

If it is a rule it affects every team. 

If it affects just the one match it is a blatant breach of the rules ( even with the connivance of the SCB).

The acid test here is can ( to use a random example) Peterborough now use Ricky Wells at Rye House next week?

[Aviator]

6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

King's Lynn ARE the reason all this has kicked off.

Poole had Ellis and Morris booked as guests for Kurtz.

King's Lynn booking Ellis for Monday, although not against the rule, made the sport look a total embarrassment by swapping guests for each leg.

If everyone was totally honest with themselves, King's Lynn should have been made to find an alternative guest. Poole should have kept Morris and Ellis.

There are other alternatives out there and Poole should have NO blame. 

There were alternatives available to King's Lynn, i.e. R/R, Jacob Thorssell, Hans Andersen, Ricky Wells and David Bellego. The first 3 being much clearer options.

Stars fans 'disgracing' Poole and it's supporters for it's blinkered views are exactly the same. 

This whole sorry mess all started from King's Lynn 'disgracing' the sport and we all shouldn't get away from that.

Yes there were terrible decisions from the referee in the meeting but these wouldn't have been as bigger issues had King's Lynn not gone 18 points down in the first 5 heats. We displayed an embarrassing start to the meeting. 

Also, just remember, had Jakobsen been excluded instead of MPT, he was still injured. Had he come out for the rerun as the adrenaline was flowing, 100% would have pulled up in that heat with a broken wrist. Result; 51-38.

Although a bit of fighting spirit was shown by King's Lynn mid meeting it was still a pretty abysmal performance. 

People should wind their necks in, focus on tonight and try to turn this result around fair and square with what we've got.

Regardless of whether Ellis and Howarth score 0, King's Lynn need 8+ from all of Jorgensen, Riss and Proctor. Double figures from R.Lambert to be expected and 3-4 from S.Lambert. Any points from Ellis and Howarth should be looked at as a bonus.

We have to go into this meeting with our minds set as a 5 man team and our middle order has to be on form. If one of Jorgensen, Riss or Proctor flop, quite frankly we're in the poop and we only have ourselves to blame for the appalling display in the first leg. 

Fingers crossed all rider's end the night safely, both sets of fans have an enjoyable evening and the world becomes a happy place again. 

May the best team over the 2 legs win and good luck all

That was the most sensible and unbiased assessment I have seen over the last couple of days. Well done.

[Aces51]

1 hour ago, Aviator said:

That was the most sensible and unbiased assessment I have seen over the last couple of days. Well done.

I have blamed Chapman and King's Lynn for deciding to use Ellis when they apparently knew he was going to guest for Poole in the second leg. Not against the rules but only because of the incompetence of those who failed to include the play offs in the rule preventing such an obvious farce in the KO Cup.

However, that is only part of what happened. The SCB, BSPA and both teams belatedly but sensibly acknowledged the farce that had been created but then wrongly decided that the answer was to break the rules by allowing Morris to ride for Poole at King's Lynn. That was ridiculous when options within the rules were available to solve the problem. It has made the sport a laughing stock. It is for that decision that all involved are responsible and for which they are rightly being blamed. 

[IainB]

14 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Wasn’t Bewley a second string. Only r/r available.

Under the rules at the time before the meeting... Perhaps they should have been changed

[Steve0]

8 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

How is it breaking the rules  if they changed the rules to allow it? 

You don't think there is something wrong in your statement?

[Sherborne Green]

54 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

You don't think there is something wrong in your statement?

The rules are being broken. 

Question, who are to blame?

Poole?, Kings Lynn?, BSPA? SCB?

All of them. Rules are stupid.

7 team league, 4 teams riders not admissible.

This situation was predictable with speedway being such a dangerous sport.

All I can say is GET IT SORTED for the future as speedway is being murdered.

 

 

[mikebv]

10 minutes ago, Sherborne Green said:

The rules are being broken. 

Question, who are to blame?

Poole?, Kings Lynn?, BSPA? SCB?

All of them. Rules are stupid.

7 team league, 4 teams riders not admissible.

This situation was predictable with speedway being such a dangerous sport.

All I can say is GET IT SORTED for the future as speedway is being murdered.

 

 

I admire your optimism that it has a future....

Isn't one of the central characters in this farce the same person who rode into his position on a white charger telling everyone that it was time to being integrity and credibility to the domestic scene?

I've not heard how that went, presume its all gone very well?

 

[noggin]

Every year there is a badly worded rule that needs amending or scrapping, yet come the Agm no one proof reads the rule book, only noticing at the 11th hour. How many years have we been hearing this is a make or break Agm, well every year it's a break, and the so called clowns who run the sport never learn, 99% of the folk who post here could write a rule book that's simple, rather than a cure for insomnia and baffling to boot.