BurntFaceMan Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Do you not think we are entitled to be for what went on in heat 12? Don’t get me wrong, plenty of our problems were self inflicted but that decision and MPT’s subsequent injury are an absolute hammer blow. Not really, Adam jumped every heat so you made up everything you lost (injuries aside of course). Not sure what meeting you guys and the ref were watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Err.. why? As much as I think it's disgraceful an illegal guest being used and that it will help to alienate existing fans it should have absolutely no bearing upon 'new fans' or those who don't know about the rules.. No need to mention it at all. In a sport where we watch riders repeatedly smash themselves apart we shouldn't be complaining about slight exceptions to keep the competition alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said: Not really, Adam jumped every heat so you made up everything you lost (injuries aside of course). Not sure what meeting you guys and the ref were watching. Have to completely agree. Seems Lynn fans were expecting to win last night. That was certainly the vibe to the Lynn fans I talked to on the second bend. i thought Lynn were gifted 6 points when Ellis jumped to two victories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Err.. why? As much as I think it's disgraceful an illegal guest being used and that it will help to alienate existing fans it should have absolutely no bearing upon 'new fans' or those who don't know about the rules.. No need to mention it at all. Poole had booked Ellis for the second leg. It is not Poole's fault that Kings Lynn booked Ellis in the first leg, causing the issue. Why on earth should Poole be blamed? They did the right thing. But Lynn refused to drop Ellis from the first leg and find another guest, which would have been for the good of the sport. They wanted Ellis in both legs, even though he was booked by the opposition. So Lynn asked Poole if Poole could use Morris in both legs and they could have Ellis. A meeting yesterday morning with the MC and SCB confirmed that this was fair and for the good of the sport. Poole are actually the innocent party in all this. It won’t make an iota of difference to many on here as they will use it to blast Poole. But why do you think Poole gave up Ellis tomorrow night? Should they have told Lynn to take a jump and we would have Morris and Ellis swapping sides? Think that would have been a far worse scenario. Edited October 9, 2018 by Steve Shovlar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Quite simple. Both teams have injured riders. To replace them, both clubs use similar quality riders from other clubs. Done. Come on Steve Niels and Ellis similar your having a laugh ones a gp rider for Christ sake no disrespect to Ellis but their not in the same league Ellis hopefully one day will hope he gets to Neil's standard but at the moment no way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said: Not really, Adam jumped every heat so you made up everything you lost (injuries aside of course). Not sure what meeting you guys and the ref were watching. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m sure you lot remember what it felt like in 2010 when you finished top and lost the final, we’ll its pretty likely we are going to experience the same thing with the help of two injuries and a diabolical referee decision. I didn’t think we would win last night but get 40 and I thought we had a great chance. On another day and without Jakobsen cleaning MPT up we would have got them as we had the momentum and would have been taking that into tomorrow night. However it was not to be, that’s life. But I think we are entitled to feel sour about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Poole had booked Ellis for the second leg. It is not Poole's fault that Kings Lynn booked Ellis in the first leg, causing the issue. Why on earth should Poole be blamed? They did the right thing. But Lynn refused to drop Ellis from the first leg and find another guest, which would have been for the good of the sport. They wanted Ellis in both legs, even though he was booked by the opposition. So Lynn asked Poole if Poole could use Morris in both legs and they could have Ellis. A meeting yesterday morning with the MC and SCB confirmed that this was fair and for the good of the sport. Poole are actually the innocent party in all this. It won’t make an iota of difference to many on here as they will use it to blast Poole. But why do you think Poole gave up Ellis tomorrow night? Should they have told Lynn to take a jump and we would have Morris and Ellis swapping sides? Think that would have been a far worse scenario. Poole are using an illegal guest. The why's and the wherefore's are irrelevant. There were solutions available that didn't involve breaking rules. As usual all involved screwed up and as usual more fans will simply say 'that's enough for me'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Come on Steve Niels and Ellis similar your having a laugh ones a gp rider for Christ sake no disrespect to Ellis but their not in the same league Ellis hopefully one day will hope he gets to Neil's standard but at the moment no way Don't think neils would have got anymore last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: Poole are using an illegal guest. The why's and the wherefore's are irrelevant. There were solutions available that didn't involve breaking rules. As usual all involved screwed up and as usual more fans will simply say 'that's enough for me'. Then blame Allit as the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: Poole are using an illegal guest. The why's and the wherefore's are irrelevant. There were solutions available that didn't involve breaking rules. As usual all involved screwed up and as usual more fans will simply say 'that's enough for me'. There not using an illegal rider, all been cleared by the powers that be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Then blame Allit as the cause. There were ways to solve the situation without having to break rules. As I said, ALL involved have screwed it up once again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Arthur54 said: There not using an illegal rider, all been cleared by the powers that be Yes they are. Just because a body decides to break its own rules doesn't make it not illegal. 'Special Dispenstation'.. 'For the good of the sport' etc... these are the things that kill speedway. Always have and it looks like always will.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Grachan said: A bit of a contradiction there. We don't need play-offs, yet injuries robbed Wolves, "undoubtedly" the best team in the league - even though they didn't finish top of the table. Exactly, Swindon easily topped the table before Wolves Injuries, everyone agrees they were very unlucky to lose Jacob and Freddie, they were not the best team in the league though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 It wasn't an illegal guest. It wasn't even Poole who requested it. I don't hear any whinging from Lynn promotion. And yes, it sucks when your team loses or worse when they have injuries, but no point in blaming the opposition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Yes they are. Just because a body decides to break its own rules doesn't make it not illegal. 'Special Dispenstation'.. 'For the good of the sport' etc... these are the things that kill speedway. Always have and it looks like always will.. So it's Pooles fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said: It wasn't an illegal guest. It wasn't even Poole who requested it. I don't hear any whinging from Lynn promotion. And yes, it sucks when your team loses or worse when they have injuries, but no point in blaming the opposition. Who requested it is irrelevant. If Morris rides, he is an illegal guest as per the rules of the sport. Why bother having rules? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Why would we not blame Jakobsen? I’m sure he didn’t mean it and he wasn’t riding dirty but he has knocked one of our key riders off and injured him. An accident but his fault, compounded by the referee getting it horrendously wrong. I think the reason Poole fans are generally despised is that very few of them have enough about them to say ‘yep we got away with one there’ and win with a bit of grace. Instead let’s sling a bit of mud the other way and see if it sticks as a distraction. Very sad. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Arthur54 said: So it's Pooles fault Poole are the ones breaking the rules, however it is the fault of the BSPA and most importantly the utterly spineless SCB for allowing it to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: Don't think neils would have got anymore last night I think Neil's would have scored more than 6 easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, BWitcher said: Who requested it is irrelevant. If Morris rides, he is an illegal guest as per the rules of the sport. Why bother having rules? If it was another team rather than Poole nothing would have been said, so let's move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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