Fromafar Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Didn’t see that coming! Common sense certainly prevails but never thought all three parties could come to an agreement like that. Yes Morris takes Poole over the limit but it’s better than the alternative and the difference is quite small. If they win because he scores two hatfuls it will rankle a bit but in the grand scheme of British speedway it’s the right thing to do as guests are obviously hard to find this time of year. What's the point of rule then,if this scenario happened in future and parties disagreed ,where next, invent another rule for " the best interest of the sport.Total joke sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Gavan said: Backed down?? How have Poole backed down in any way shape or form?? Poole have broken rules by having Morris as a guest at Kings Lynn I dont care about gentlemans agreements , the rules were there and they have been changed .........what team benefits???? Poole again Tell a neutral that Nick Morris has an average to high to ride Wednesday but the sport has allowed it to happen................farce If Morris scores more than Ellis at Lynn that leads Poole to the title then that will be an awful way for the league to be won Interesting that you and bwitcher have a big problem with it and most KL fans aren't that bothered. Can't see there being much in it between Morris and Ellis so luckily Poole and KL riders should decide it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Kings Lynns management are very happy with the deal. They now have a rider who they were worried about for the second leg in their team. The rules should have been in place so that Ellis and Morris were protected for Poole. Lynn could have gone with Howarth or r/r. The rules were simple and Kings Lynn didnt break any. Poole were gifted the semi final because of Somersets injurys and 5 man team..............and now you want a walkover in the final. Nick Morris riding at Lynn on Wednesday makes the sport a farce..................the team is illegal..............not that that bothers Poole as they have the Swindon number two up against Swindons number four...................with a gp rider missing from his home track...................... Poole have had some really hollow title wins....................this will be the worst 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Oh well thats the final done and dusted Nick Morris goes better at Poole than Ellis in the main as 14 points from number one shows on a visit there earlier in the season and he certainly goes better than Ellis at Lynn, Poole have benefitted from being able to use Morris at Kings Lynn thats pretty obvious. Kurtz 6.75.............replaced by Morris 6.74 Iversen 7.36...........replaced by Ellis 6.47 That shows the advantage Poole have but they can only beat whats in front of them Hope Kings Lynn can overcome the loss and at least make a spectacle of the final Trouble is Morris has a habit of falling off on his own and is generally more unreliable, personally I would have been happier if we had Ellis for both legs, for that reason and the fact that fans will say it's another fiddle and it shouldn't be allowed average wise. It wouldn't surprise me if Ellis outscored Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Gavan said: The rules were simple and Kings Lynn didnt break any. Poole were gifted the semi final because of Somersets injurys and 5 man team..............and now you want a walkover in the final. Nick Morris riding at Lynn on Wednesday makes the sport a farce..................the team is illegal..............not that that bothers Poole as they have the Swindon number two up against Swindons number four...................with a gp rider missing from his home track...................... Poole have had some really hollow title wins....................this will be the worst Oh dear God!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, lisa-colette said: Interesting that you and bwitcher have a big problem with it and most KL fans aren't that bothered. Can't see there being much in it between Morris and Ellis so luckily Poole and KL riders should decide it. Your a Poole fan..................you dont mind rule breaking......................all in the best interest of the sport of course......or Poole This sort of thing can open up a can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Poole being forced to use Nick Morris at the last moment leaves them much weaker as it has unsettled the club and well, the whole of the town really. Kings Lynn's name already on the trophy/plaque/whatever..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, lisa-colette said: Oh dear God!!! Bless you whats your problem? Nick Morris has an average to high to ride at Lynn...........thats the rules but now we dont have rules anymore maybe Poole can see if Doyle can replace Kurtz........all in the best interests of the sport of course. Its plain and simple Kings Lynn broke no rules by Ellis riding Poole needed to find a guest for the second leg. But because it looks a bit silly (and i agree) that Ellis rides for both teams, we now make the sport look just as silly by saying ' do you know what rather than have a rider riding for two teams in final, we will just use an illegal one instead'.........................both ways are farcical and the final basically is a joke 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 The bookies have certainly taken all this into account. Kings Lynn are huge favourites! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Gavan said: Bless you whats your problem? Nick Morris has an average to high to ride at Lynn...........thats the rules but now we dont have rules anymore maybe Poole can see if Doyle can replace Kurtz........all in the best interests of the sport of course. Its plain and simple Kings Lynn broke no rules by Ellis riding Poole needed to find a guest for the second leg. But because it looks a bit silly (and i agree) that Ellis rides for both teams, we now make the sport look just as silly by saying ' do you know what rather than have a rider riding for two teams in final, we will just use an illegal one instead'.........................both ways are farcical and the final basically is a joke I think that is just about right. The so called climax to the season is a joke. Been trying to explain this to a non Speedway sports fan. His face is a picture lol. So this is how it went, a team finished 9 points behind the top team . They then qualified for a two match shoot out with the top team, and then were allowed to field an over strength team . Edited October 8, 2018 by Cliffeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Gavan, Well yes we should have Ellis and KL have Morris but how do you know who's idea it was to do this? You don't? Maybe BT sport said 'can you guys not have the same guest on Weds instead of swapping...?' Fact is Gavan you don't know and I don't know. But I prefer this to swapping riders half way through a final. If KL fans don't have a problem with it then I don't see how you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 make the rules up(or change them) as you go along.....end the season on a HIGH farce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I usually hate it when the 'in the best interests' line is trotted out because very often the decision made quite obviously isnt! However this time I do genuinely believe that the solution IS in the best interests of the sport compared to running the 2 legs and the teams swapping guests at half time However ideally the regs shouldve been in place to prevent it anyway so it is still only the best if a bad job 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbiter Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Gives Morris a chance to put himself in the shop window as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Whilst it would have made more sense if the guests were the other way round, surely Speedway has become too obsessed with averages in recent years, and if both teams agree on this then I don't see too much of a problem with it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Once you break the rules for whatever reason the sport loses all credibility.What will happen in future when a side wants to use a guest that is slightly over the limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricky dicky Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: The bookies have certainly taken all this into account. Kings Lynn are huge favourites! no they are not huge favourites !!! virtually the same price both teams !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Gavan, Well yes we should have Ellis and KL have Morris but how do you know who's idea it was to do this? You don't? Maybe BT sport said 'can you guys not have the same guest on Weds instead of swapping...?' Fact is Gavan you don't know and I don't know. But I prefer this to swapping riders half way through a final. If KL fans don't have a problem with it then I don't see how you can! It’s not about whether Gavan or anyone thinks it’s right , do you not see. It’s breaking the rules, pure and simple. I shall not be watching , I hope for the sake of the credibility of our sport Lynn the true champs win. That’s me finished with this now , btw well done Tai, see you all next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, colin wood said: Once you break the rules for whatever reason the sport loses all credibility.What will happen in future when a side wants to use a guest that is slightly over the limit? UK speedway has none left to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, colin wood said: Once you break the rules for whatever reason the sport loses all credibility.What will happen in future when a side wants to use a guest that is slightly over the limit? You can't do it unless you are in the playoff final and there is no one else to guest. Personally I blame Museliek for this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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