Col Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) It has become a total farce. Won't waste anytime watching either meeting. Edited October 7, 2018 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 This is why the governing body should be independent, you can all get on your high horses about Buster all you like BUT push cones to shove he is in a no win situation. If he didn't use Adam Ellis tomorrow he would not be doing his Kings Lynn position justice. And by allowing it to happen he is not doing British speedway chairmanship justice. Until regulations are set independently from those with vested interests then these sorts of circumstances will always crop up. And any Poole fan who thinks that Ford and Middleditch would nt have done exactly the same if roles were reversed, are blinkered beyond belief. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, tellboy said: There was me thinking they all voted on the rules What did he say when he first became chairman... everything was gonna to be transparent, clear and have intrigity? Nothing about the guest situation shows he has 'strong moral principles' !! I know it's a rule blah blah blah but it would be good if people put their desperation for a league title aside and made a common sense decision that doesn't pee everyone off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: This is why the governing body should be independent, you can all get on your high horses about Buster all you like BUT push cones to shove he is in a no win situation. If he didn't use Adam Ellis tomorrow he would not be doing his Kings Lynn position justice. And by allowing it to happen he is not doing British speedway chairmanship justice. Until regulations are set independently from those with vested interests then these sorts of circumstances will always crop up. And any Poole fan who thinks that Ford and Middleditch would nt have done exactly the same if roles were reversed, are blinkered beyond belief. I can't say I disagree with any of that but none the less it's devalued the final for me from something I was looking forward too to not being interested now. A chance for Poole to claim the moral high ground now and cancel Ellis's booking and ride with 6. Everyone would be supporting Poole then! ......... Wouldn't they? :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: So can someone please tell me what King’s Lynn have done wrong? Should they go into the biggest 2 meetings with r/r and hand the league to Poole?? The majority of Poole fans having a go at Lynn is laughable all the rule bending and stunts pulled over the years and now King’s Lynn have broke NO rules at all and the Poole fans think that Ellis shouldn’t ride in the best interest of the sport!!! You have to laugh at the double standards of the fools on the south coast. I’m sure if it was the other way round not one Poole fan would moan about the sports credibility. How many riders are available to Kings Lynn for tomorrow??? Hardly any. So the Kings Lynn promotion should ‘ in the interests of the sport’ not book the best guest available lol Poole has it easy in the semis against a weakened Somerset and have now seen a gp rider replaced by a third heat leader and they panicking. I love the mob from the south coast with the party lines all set up now...... we won despite Kings Lynn using Ellis / we lost because Kings Lynn used Ellis....... just delete as appropriate. Poole fans thinking Kings Lynn should just hand the trophy to them! Kurtz injured first .....Poole can get best guest available Iversen injured........how dare Kings Lynn get the next best guest!! Come on you Stars This comment doesnt surprise me in the slightest sums u up and the bspa chairman !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 This is an absolutely awful situation for British Speedway to be in. For the good of both teams and integrity Ellis should ride both meetings for Poole and Morris for King's Lynn. Or both teams run R/R. The idea that both guests could be on opposite sides 48hrs later is simply totally embarrassing for British Speedway. This is King's Lynn's first chance of a top flight title in many a year, probably only chance for another 18yrs, and this happens. It really has dampened and damaged the mood all round for almost every British Speedway fan. British Speedway has literally died. Cannot be excited about this final and to think of the poor sods spending small fortunes to attend these jokes of a meetings. A very very sad day and hollow victory for either club. The BSPA President, Chairman and Vice-Chairman should hang their heads in shame and resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Surely this can’t devalue Speedway ? Speedway that runs with 7 sevens in its major League and then after 6 months the 7 teams are whittled down to 4 who then ride 4 money spinning legs to decide who meets in the final shoot out. Where those loyal fans are ‘rewarded’ by 50% (circa) uplift in admission charges. So tell me, why are you lot moaning about it. There are choices in this world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: This is an absolutely awful situation for British Speedway to be in. For the good of both teams and integrity Ellis should ride both meetings for Poole and Morris for King's Lynn. Or both teams run R/R. The idea that both guests could be on opposite sides 48hrs later is simply totally embarrassing for British Speedway. This is King's Lynn's first chance of a top flight title in many a year, probably only chance for another 18yrs, and this happens. It really has dampened and damaged the mood all round for almost every British Speedway fan. British Speedway has literally died. Cannot be excited about this final and to think of the poor sods spending small fortunes to attend these jokes of a meetings. A very very sad day and hollow victory for either club. The BSPA President, Chairman and Vice-Chairman should hang their heads in shame and resign. By attending either Final every fan who does so will 100% endorse the Promoters policies and processes... Just like they do all season... Is this situation really much more of a farce than say Brady Kurtz putting in a man of the match performance to help BV knock Swindon out of the very same play offs? Kurtz riding for them because the meeting was arranged (and agreed to by both teams) to be ran on a night when Craig Cook was scheduled to ride elsewhere for Glasgow! I think there is a certain synergy in what will happen... A Season long farce has a Season ending farce... A fitting tribute and ending... And one several thousand will support, and therefore by being in attendance, provide their very own stamp of approval and blessing to allow more and more of the same.. ad infinitum... Edited October 8, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 12 hours ago, foreverblue said: We would rather have Brady than Morris thanks you seem to think we have had all the luck. Iversen isn't even out yet and if he is out they can get a guest who will probably score more than Iversen as he has been poor at Poole this season although like Poole without Brady im sure KL would like to have a full team of their own riders without guests. Not the first time we have been let down by Niels this season, but there are no guests who can replace world quality. He is irreplaceable when the chips are down. He virtually guarantees 5-1 in both heat 13 and 15 that usually ensures a winning position. Because of his low CMA we could never benefit from a guest like Poole have done with Kurtz . When comparing the losses of each team, you have to question the necessity of the Play-offs at all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Panto season just round the corner, this lot of rubbish is the warm up, what a tragic sport speedway has become in england Edited October 8, 2018 by ruckerroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: Fans from all different teams have said it makes the sport look a joke when one rider is riding for both teams. Unfortunately the sport in this country is a joke too many rules promoters bending and twisting the rules to suit their own needs i personally lost interest in the top league after the Belle vue v Poole fiasco up in Manchester a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: Feel sorry for Adam Ellis in a way, apart from his bank balance he is in a no win situation. not quite correct .....he's guaranteed a winners medal ....oh yeah and a runners up medal as well I don't blame him at all but it's an utter farce. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Of course it’s a farce but the rules allow it - so no one has done anything wrong. It certainly is a stupid situation that could be avoided with cooperation between the promoters - but they are only interested in their own club’s self interest. If they can’t agree the use of guests (so that a rider doesn’t ride for both teams) then it should be RR for both teams. Edited October 8, 2018 by Steve0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Star Lady said: not quite correct .....he's guaranteed a winners medal ....oh yeah and a runners up medal as well I don't blame him at all but it's an utter farce. Maybe to help Nige and Kelvin explain this nonsense he could be called Adam Ellis in the first match... And Edam Allis in the second... They could tell the audience that the 'new man' is the Dutch No1... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 This is a problem the play-offs give you,there always seems to be injuries at the end of the season.Since play-offs began how many of the finals have both sides been at full strength?Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, teaboy279 said: This is why the governing body should be independent, you can all get on your high horses about Buster all you like BUT push cones to shove he is in a no win situation. If he didn't use Adam Ellis tomorrow he would not be doing his Kings Lynn position justice. And by allowing it to happen he is not doing British speedway chairmanship justice. Until regulations are set independently from those with vested interests then these sorts of circumstances will always crop up. And any Poole fan who thinks that Ford and Middleditch would nt have done exactly the same if roles were reversed, are blinkered beyond belief. So what would be the alternative, both having to go with r/r, maybe that's the answer but until yesterday Lynn didn't need a guest... so just tell Morris he's not now required, same with Adam, sorted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Dale Allitt has tweeted that he was on the blower for six hours yesterday so I think it’s safe to assume that every possible avenue was explored before Adam Ellis was booked. Lynn have been left with very little realistic choice unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 I will never understand why the play offs ever started. To me in 'the old days' back in 60s 70s whoever was top of the league at the end of the season were the winners. That is how it should still be IMO I cannot stand all the individual meetings where riders who go through the field unbeaten have to be penalised by having to race against another 7 riders when that rider should be called champion. The same goes for any meetings where this happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, whippy said: I will never understand why the play offs ever started. To me in 'the old days' back in 60s 70s whoever was top of the league at the end of the season were the winners. That is how it should still be IMO I cannot stand all the individual meetings where riders who go through the field unbeaten have to be penalised by having to race against another 7 riders when that rider should be called champion. The same goes for any meetings where this happens. I would of thought it was pretty obvious why any sport has play offs. Edited October 8, 2018 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Do we know if there is any chance of Iversen being back for Wednesday No one knows at the mo as far as I am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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