Fromafar Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Main reason I take or leave home meetings is the racing, not the price, if I have any other potential plans they take priority over the speedway, although I’d never be sat in the house if it was on. Personally I think the quality of the racing is a big factor whether fans take it or leave it if ,something else crops it probably wins the day now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just now, Fromafar said: Personally I think the quality of the racing is a big factor whether fans take it or leave it if ,something else crops it probably wins the day now. Thats the case for me, been to 3/5 at home and 3/3 away, Shielfield park bores me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 13 hours ago, gazzac said: To a degree, but Eastbourne have gone into this season with proper promotion through the community, local business , schools, decent website and have embraced social media,and they run Saturday nights or Sunday. Gates are far better than the tail end of when we were in the Elite league. Perhaps if other club owners/promoters studied their plan, and implemented similar schemes perhaps the doom and gloom would not be so prevalent. Suppose if a promoter doesn't promote, the club is doomed to failure. Like him or loath him, Poole's sucess over the last 20 odd years has largely been down to Matt Ford's promoting. and at the end of the season we will see whether it has worked or whether, despite the increase in crowds, the books balance. I really hope they do but look at Glasgow who do everything you say with bells on and are losing a shedload of cash. Main cost for all promotions is riders' wages, I would imagine that stadium rental, insurance and medical cover vie for second place. Some say they can't afford to go every week, others say that racing every other week isn't good enough - not whingeing as I often get accused of, just pointing out that one fix does not necessarily fit all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, George Dodds said: and at the end of the season we will see whether it has worked or whether, despite the increase in crowds, the books balance. I really hope they do but look at Glasgow who do everything you say with bells on and are losing a shedload of cash. Main cost for all promotions is riders' wages, I would imagine that stadium rental, insurance and medical cover vie for second place. Some say they can't afford to go every week, others say that racing every other week isn't good enough - not whingeing as I often get accused of, just pointing out that one fix does not necessarily fit all. Riders wages related to crowd levels is a main issue these days IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Riders wages related to crowd levels is a main issue these days IMO to be honest I think it always has been - even going back in the day. But we expect a level of professionalism from riders which was unthinkable 30 year ago - imagine the howls of abuse if a number one rider turned up with one bike, it blew up and he withdrew from the meeting as used to happen quite regularly - but still want them to cut their costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, George Dodds said: to be honest I think it always has been - even going back in the day. But we expect a level of professionalism from riders which was unthinkable 30 year ago - imagine the howls of abuse if a number one rider turned up with one bike, it blew up and he withdrew from the meeting as used to happen quite regularly - but still want them to cut their costs. There was always a track spare at a lot of tracks in these early days .I certainly don’t remember riders withdrawing from meeting”quite regular”.Im sure most could also borrow a bike from team mates if desperate.It was also “semi professional in these days at NL league level most riders had other jobs Edited May 14, 2019 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 Suppose it depends how far back you go. Certainly in the 70s a bike blowing - John Jackson, Dougie Templeton, Mark Perram, Colin Farquharson, Dave Baugh all spring to mind. was the end of the night even for some of the big names. The track spare was a bit of a myth I think, some tracks had an old clunker left in the corner. Right about jumping on other people's bikes though but I suppose that was easier in the days of standard parts and set ups. All progress is progress but not all progress is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) Crowd 47 minutes ago, George Dodds said: Suppose it depends how far back you go. Certainly in the 70s a bike blowing - John Jackson, Dougie Templeton, Mark Perram, Colin Farquharson, Dave Baugh all spring to mind. was the end of the night even for some of the big names. The track spare was a bit of a myth I think, some tracks had an old clunker left in the corner. Right about jumping on other people's bikes though but I suppose that was easier in the days of standard parts and set ups. All progress is progress but not all progress is good Crowds levels at most tracks simply struggle to meet riders wage demandsthesedays,other income is essential.Its not going to end well for a lot of riders .Thats the bottom line IMO Edited May 14, 2019 by Fromafar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Crowd Crowds levels at most tracks simply struggle to meet riders wage demands ,other income is essential.Its not going to end well for a lot of riders .Thats the bottom line IMO riders wage demands these days. hard to disagree really - although when riders were paid less and crowds higher tracks still went bust so, while it's the big problem it's obviously not the only one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Crowd Crowds levels at most tracks simply struggle to meet riders wage demandsthesedays,other income is essential.Its not going to end well for a lot of riders .Thats the bottom line IMO yet some clubs still insist on signing big name riders hoping they can balance the books @ the end of the season and then moan about losing shad loads of cash ..( my own club included ). we only have 11 years to save the planet from self destruction . we have even less time to save a sport that is being crippled by high costs in wages and crazy running costs . with the season even shorter , why do riders need new hire vans for travelling around . there is not that many fixtures . Shirley they can get away with a 3/4 yr old trtanny or something to fulfil their uk fixtures . then again , many of them cant even get a simple engine to go around a track for 4 laps . these high end riders are killing the championship as we know it . if they want to earn big money , do it in the premier league only and dont drift back in the championship for the east pickings . me, i would rather watch lads who are doing it for a hobby and not a living. the guys that turn up with one mech and not an army of 5 guys trying to prove they can blow a tyre up and pretend they know everything ... cut these costs and speedway will survive . but we only have 3/5 years to sort it out . then its toast . we dont owe them a living , they have to earn it and not be given it and entertain the public into the bargain . its a circus and the animals are about extinct ! no doubt there will be more track closures next year, sad to say . Edited May 14, 2019 by jenga 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, jenga said: yet some clubs still insist on signing big name riders hoping they can balance the books @ the end of the season and then moan about losing shad loads of cash ..( my own club included ). we only have 11 years to save the planet from self destruction . we have even less time to save a sport that is being crippled by high costs in wages and crazy running costs . with the season even shorter , why do riders need new hire vans for travelling around . there is not that many fixtures . Shirley they can get away with a 3/4 yr old trtanny or something to fulfil their uk fixtures . then again , many of them cant even get a simple engine to go around a track for 4 laps . these high end riders are killing the championship as we know it . if they want to earn big money , do it in the premier league only and dont drift back in the championship for the east pickings . me, i would rather watch lads who are doing it for a hobby and not a living. the guys that turn up with one mech and not an army of 5 guys trying to prove they can blow a tyre up and pretend they know everything ... cut these costs and speedway will survive . but we only have 3/5 years to sort it out . then its toast . we dont owe them a living , they have to earn it and not be given it and entertain the public into the bargain . its a circus and the animals are about extinct ! no doubt there will be more track closures next year, sad to say . That has to be the most sensible post for years on here.You should forward it to the BSPA if there was anyone there who could read 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) On 5/14/2019 at 11:01 AM, jenga said: yet some clubs still insist on signing big name riders hoping they can balance the books @ the end of the season and then moan about losing shad loads of cash ..( my own club included ). we only have 11 years to save the planet from self destruction . we have even less time to save a sport that is being crippled by high costs in wages and crazy running costs . with the season even shorter , why do riders need new hire vans for travelling around . there is not that many fixtures . Shirley they can get away with a 3/4 yr old trtanny or something to fulfil their uk fixtures . then again , many of them cant even get a simple engine to go around a track for 4 laps . these high end riders are killing the championship as we know it . if they want to earn big money , do it in the premier league only and dont drift back in the championship for the east pickings . me, i would rather watch lads who are doing it for a hobby and not a living. the guys that turn up with one mech and not an army of 5 guys trying to prove they can blow a tyre up and pretend they know everything ... cut these costs and speedway will survive . but we only have 3/5 years to sort it out . then its toast . we dont owe them a living , they have to earn it and not be given it and entertain the public into the bargain . its a circus and the animals are about extinct ! no doubt there will be more track closures next year, sad to say . Majority of the high end riders are riding. 2-3 times a week all over the place ,only interested in raking cash as that’s their full time job for 6 months.Many of them certainly ride as though it’s just another day and another dollar IMO. Edited May 15, 2019 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Do we know if Jye and Coty will be available for next Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 10:13 AM, George Dodds said: hard to disagree really - although when riders were paid less and crowds higher tracks still went bust so, while it's the big problem it's obviously not the only one Many tracks closed because landlords had sold the stadiums for redevelopment. Not always because of the clubs financial problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Shadders said: Many tracks closed because landlords had sold the stadiums for redevelopment. Not always because of the clubs financial problems If those clubs were a financial success would the promoter have sold them, or was the truth more they were not making money but only breaking even. As a businessman its is prudent to get the best return for your investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: If those clubs were a financial success would the promoter have sold them, or was the truth more they were not making money but only breaking even. As a businessman its is prudent to get the best return for your investment. Very few teams own the facilities they use. They are at the mercy of the landlords. Go back and look at the number of housing and trading estates that now stand on the sites of former speedway stadiums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Shadders said: Very few teams own the facilities they use. They are at the mercy of the landlords. Go back and look at the number of housing and trading estates that now stand on the sites of former speedway stadiums Fair point but the likes of Cowdenbeath, Skegness, Crewe, Ellesmere Port, Wimbledon, Buxton, Paisley, Weymouth, Wembley, Sunderland, White City, Oxford, Rochdale - dare I say it, Rye House - all remained as stadiums - and some still do - for decades long after the speedway had pulled the plug. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, George Dodds said: Fair point but the likes of Cowdenbeath, Skegness, Crewe, Ellesmere Port, Wimbledon, Buxton, Paisley, Weymouth, Wembley, Sunderland, White City, Oxford, Rochdale - dare I say it, Rye House - all remained as stadiums - and some still do - for decades long after the speedway had pulled the plug. Sure, but many more have disappeared completely, even since 1985 when I first went to speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Shadders said: Very few teams own the facilities they use. They are at the mercy of the landlords. Go back and look at the number of housing and trading estates that now stand on the sites of former speedway stadiums Very true Shads. The first 10 tracks i visited in order of attendance were Wimbledon, Plymouth, West Ham, Wembley, Romford, Hackney, Reading, Rayleigh, Rye House & Eastbourne.The fact that two still remain intact is an achievement in itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted May 29, 2019 Report Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) On 5/21/2019 at 12:48 PM, cityrebel said: Edited May 29, 2019 by Gringo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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