screm Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Yes the Supporters Club committee are about to induct Dick Barrie into the hall of fame next Saturday, and he has just made his feelings very much clear on what he thinks of those people who have just honoured him. If that doesn’t show you something, nothing will. Ironic to say the least Mr Barrie will attend one of these so called "jollies" paid for and organised by the Supporters club, maybe on the night he can categorise those there into fans or supporters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 hours ago, bigeddiechek said: I think there is nothing wrong with supporters clubs, in whatever form they take. One thing I would say is if they are raising money under a club's brand, then they should have audited accounts each year. I don't know if that is the case, but assuming it is, then they can do whatever they like with it. The fact that they use the Berwick Bandits brand always opens them to a certain amount of legislation, which has always surprised my why they haven't called themselves something different. The tax man can hook onto something like this very quickly, and aggressively, especially if historically the funds have been raised in - or around - the organisations base (i.e. Shielfield). But I am pretty sure there will be robust auditing of financials in place, so - as the old saying goes - "move along, nothing to see here". Thing is if anyone uses the clubs brand; the club could expect to; or should be; receiving something back for that, shouldn't they? the promotion that is not the riders who are paid by the club, its a moot point but can be a very touchy subject; however it is becoming evermore prevalent in today's society where brand and Image rights are vigorously protected The ability to register one's legal property as an image or brand right facilitates both the economic exploitation of the right and its protection. Historically, this has been the case for copyright and trademark legislation which has been used by companies/bodies attempting to protect their brand. On the Tax implication as a social body; well that is a totally different can of worms and the SC will not attract any special tax regulations or liabilities however when the money is handed to the rider (or any benefit in kind) the rider should be declaring that as a gift or benefit. (How many do?) On the GOV.UK web site you can see what regulations apply to gifts and benefits and what the tax liabilities are and there is a comprehensive section detailed as Expenses and benefits: A to Z. You may consider that there is nothing to see however there is always something to interest someone and lets just hope its not HM Revenue Inspectors as the other old saying goes which is usually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who wrote in a 1789 letter that “Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.” Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, screm said: Ironic to say the least Mr Barrie will attend one of these so called "jollies" paid for and organised by the Supporters club, maybe on the night he can categorise those there into fans or supporters. Well, actually, he won't. As early as October, unsure if he'd be in the country in January, he notified the supporters in writing that they should give the seat in the Hall to someone else. Although back in Britain since early December, Dick has not received an invitation to the Dinner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Yes the Supporters Club committee are about to induct Dick Barrie into the hall of fame next Saturday, and he has just made his feelings very much clear on what he thinks of those people who have just honoured him. If that doesn’t show you something, nothing will. Replace his nomination now, and induct Peter Waite instead, love him or hate him PW bled Berwick Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: Replace his nomination now, and induct Peter Waite instead, love him or hate him PW bled Berwick Speedway As Granty would say ‘Nowt to do wi me’ unfortunately...Very very disrespectful from him in my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Thing is if anyone uses the clubs brand; the club could expect to; or should be; receiving something back for that, shouldn't they? the promotion that is not the riders who are paid by the club, its a moot point but can be a very touchy subject; however it is becoming evermore prevalent in today's society where brand and Image rights are vigorously protected The ability to register one's legal property as an image or brand right facilitates both the economic exploitation of the right and its protection. Historically, this has been the case for copyright and trademark legislation which has been used by companies/bodies attempting to protect their brand. On the Tax implication as a social body; well that is a totally different can of worms and the SC will not attract any special tax regulations or liabilities however when the money is handed to the rider (or any benefit in kind) the rider should be declaring that as a gift or benefit. (How many do?) On the GOV.UK web site you can see what regulations apply to gifts and benefits and what the tax liabilities are and there is a comprehensive section detailed as Expenses and benefits: A to Z. You may consider that there is nothing to see however there is always something to interest someone and lets just hope its not HM Revenue Inspectors as the other old saying goes which is usually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who wrote in a 1789 letter that “Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.” Regards THJ I think from Februray last year 'Berwick Bandits Supporters Club' was registered with Copyrights, and have the name covered under copyright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: As Granty would say ‘Nowt to do wi me’ unfortunately...Very very disrespectful from him in my opinion though. Blackball him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: I think from Februray last year 'Berwick Bandits Supporters Club' was registered with Copyrights, and have the name covered under copyright https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00002555024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, bigeddiechek said: https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00002555024 That was a logo copyright, I think lodged by Phil Nrwton. I was referring to a copyright on a name. BERWICK BANDITS SUPPORTERS CLUB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjcol Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 mmmmm wel wot happened to mr andersons v I p club lollol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, crescent girl said: Well, actually, he won't. As early as October, unsure if he'd be in the country in January, he notified the supporters in writing that they should give the seat in the Hall to someone else. Although back in Britain since early December, Dick has not received an invitation to the Dinner. Utter rubbish Dick informed the committee by email and also a few of us verbally that he would not be able to attend as he would probably be in a sunnier climate. If he is home surely a simple email to inform us of his availability as the space is still available would have been suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Cut a long story short, Berwick Supporters nominated Dick Barrie into hall of fame, Dick Barrie said he was too busy to attend, which he isn’t, and has now claimed these supporters are not supporters, nice bloke huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Cut a long story short, Berwick Supporters nominated Dick Barrie into hall of fame, Dick Barrie said he was too busy to attend, which he isn’t, and has now claimed these supporters are not supporters, nice bloke huh? As I rescind his nomination and replace him with Peter Waite, problem sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, crescent girl said: Well, actually, he won't. As early as October, unsure if he'd be in the country in January, he notified the supporters in writing that they should give the seat in the Hall to someone else. Although back in Britain since early December, Dick has not received an invitation to the Dinner. Never trust a person who, when posting on a forum uses the third person to do so. Face your anonymity horse bolted many many moons ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Cut a long story short, Berwick Supporters nominated Dick Barrie into hall of fame, Dick Barrie said he was too busy to attend, which he isn’t, and has now claimed these supporters are not supporters, nice bloke huh? Giving his recent posts I find it quite sad, actually I have no problem in Dick Barrie being inducted into the Hall of Fame as he has played a part in Berwick Speedway for many years and that deserves to be recognised. If he is in the Country I would've thought every effort should be made to attend especially as part of the night is in your honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Maybe they can let Dick win the raffle at the " Hall of fame night " , 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, screm said: Giving his recent posts I find it quite sad, actually I have no problem in Dick Barrie being inducted into the Hall of Fame as he has played a part in Berwick Speedway for many years and that deserves to be recognised. If he is in the Country I would've thought every effort should be made to attend especially as part of the night is in your honour. He may well be having more gender re-assignment treatment that restricts his movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, balderdash&piffle said: As I rescind his nomination and replace him with Peter Waite, problem sorted Peter has been asked in the past and turned them down ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjcol Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DSC67 said: Maybe they can let Dick win the raffle at the " Hall of fame night " , not funny mmmmmm lollol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted January 19, 2019 Report Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 hours ago, Heedthebaw said: Peter has been asked in the past and turned them down ! From a reliable source within BSSC, Peter has never been asked so could not have turned down the offer. If you are to make a statement, please get your facts right first please 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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