Halifaxtiger Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 22 hours ago, BWitcher said: The quality of racing has been discussed numerous times, it's no different. If Belle Vue was packed out every week that argument could be used... it isn't though.. and neither are any other tracks that are meant to have the best racing. It does make a difference. Its not the be all and end all, but it does Belle Vue might not be packed out but I have no doubt that it draws more people than it would if the racing was rubbish. Scunthorpe is a better example. Poor gates, but doesn't bear thinking about what they would be if the speedway wasn't as good as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: It does make a difference. Its not the be all and end all, but it does Belle Vue might not be packed out but I have no doubt that it draws more people than it would if the racing was rubbish. Scunthorpe is a better example. Poor gates, but doesn't bear thinking about what they would be if the speedway wasn't as good as it is. Yet their stockcar crowds are much bigger and subsidise the Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 8:12 PM, PHILIPRISING said: NOT sure they have seven! Was suggested that only five have committed ... Belle Vue, Kings Lynn, Poole, Swindon and Wolves 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT there are more than four or five ... Is it me, Phil, or do these two statements contradict each other ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: It does make a difference. Its not the be all and end all, but it does Belle Vue might not be packed out but I have no doubt that it draws more people than it would if the racing was rubbish. Scunthorpe is a better example. Poor gates, but doesn't bear thinking about what they would be if the speedway wasn't as good as it is. Often the best racing occurs when tracks are actually enjoying a less than successful season.. closer home matches, decent racing.. crowds plummet. Wheareas a team winning easily every week with less good racing enjoys higher crowds. The fact that your 'better example' is another team with awful gates says it all. Doesn't exactly help your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT there are more than four or five ... So who are the others? You yourself have only mentioned 4 clubs that want to maintain or better the product. So, who are these others you talk about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) ) 10 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Often the best racing occurs when tracks are actually enjoying a less than successful season.. closer home matches, decent racing.. crowds plummet. Wheareas a team winning easily every week with less good racing enjoys higher crowds. The fact that your 'better example' is another team with awful gates says it all. Doesn't exactly help your argument. That is to a point true. I say to a point because results affect only home supporters (and I seem to remember there being an old saying 'happiness is 40-38' ) not those who just go for the speedway (and at Scunthorpe that's a fair few). But you seem - and I reiterate seem - to be saying is that the quality of the speedway is irrelevant simply because Belle Vue isn't packed every week, or because Scunthorpe's gates are poor. What I am saying - and I am certain of this - is that the gates at both tracks would be worse if the racing isn't as good as it is. As such, the quality of the speedway does affect attendances. Not perhaps to the extent that some people might believe, but it does. Edited September 29, 2018 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said: Is it me, Phil, or do these two statements contradict each other ? IT is a fluid situation... think Somerset make it six now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: IT is a fluid situation... think Somerset make it six now. So the top league is gonna be thrilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So the top league is gonna be thrilling Yes, lots of exciting guests booked already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: So the top league is gonna be thrilling Each team rides against each other twice at home, good luck to them, and can they afford to last the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Each team rides against each other twice at home, good luck to them, and can they afford to last the season? Twice, more like 3 home 3 away, ko cup as well with top 4 Play-Offs. So that's facing some teams up to 6 times in a season. Thrilling stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 39 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Twice, more like 3 home 3 away, ko cup as well with top 4 Play-Offs. So that's facing some teams up to 6 times in a season. Thrilling stuff True, wasn't thinking there. But they will all have bumper crowds, and because of guests it will be a different team every time they ride against each other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, The Third Man said: True, wasn't thinking there. But they will all have bumper crowds, and because of guests it will be a different team every time they ride against each other In other words It'll be more of a meaningless circus and less of a sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 right well lets forget Div 1 - they're fkd in that case- lets please make sure D2 does it right by having weaker (affordable) teams in a bigger, more interesting league with please please please fewer guests/ DU/DD. Bring in Birmingham, Easty and Kent at least. And make it affordable for the clubs and D2 will at least survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 1:27 PM, BWitcher said: No it isn't. I've seen junior riders such as David Haynes, Matt Cartmell, Ade Hoole riding in the top flight in years when the league was way stronger. They simply got promoted to No 7 when required. Ade Hoole!! That was at Leicester, wasn't it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUFC_Brummie Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 It shouldn't be about what Wolves, or Poole, or Belle Vue etc. want, it should be about what's best for the sport as a whole. Again, self-interest will just see the sport continue to decline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, Shale Searcher said: Ade Hoole!! That was at Leicester, wasn't it!!! Rode for Sheffield I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 2 hours ago, RS50 said: Rode for Sheffield I believe. That's where I remember the rider from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertsRacer Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 22 hours ago, RS50 said: Rode for Sheffield I believe. Made 4 appearances for Wolverhampton between 1988-1990, 12 for Sheffield in 1991, 6 for Stoke n 1992 and 44 for Long Eaton in 1993. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 One big league is not going to happen at least in the immediate future. The BSPA made a terrible blunder when they allowed riders to race for more than one team, and the riders will now never give up what they regard as the divine right to sign for two teams, unless they are paid substantially more in prize money - which the promoters cannot afford! Doubling-up has become a monster out of control - and a five year old child could have forseen that this would happen. More likely I think, is the probability of Premiership clubs looking to drop down a division - and if this happens, then the top league would quickly become unviable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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