foamfence Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 5:48 PM, brianbuck said: One big league is not going to happen at least in the immediate future. The BSPA made a terrible blunder when they allowed riders to race for more than one team, and the riders will now never give up what they regard as the divine right to sign for two teams, unless they are paid substantially more in prize money - which the promoters cannot afford! Doubling-up has become a monster out of control - and a five year old child could have forseen that this would happen. More likely I think, is the probability of Premiership clubs looking to drop down a division - and if this happens, then the top league would quickly become unviable. Expand .....And you'd have one league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 5:48 PM, brianbuck said: One big league is not going to happen at least in the immediate future. The BSPA made a terrible blunder when they allowed riders to race for more than one team, and the riders will now never give up what they regard as the divine right to sign for two teams, unless they are paid substantially more in prize money - which the promoters cannot afford! Doubling-up has become a monster out of control - and a five year old child could have forseen that this would happen. More likely I think, is the probability of Premiership clubs looking to drop down a division - and if this happens, then the top league would quickly become unviable. Expand So the tail is wagging the dog again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 5:57 PM, foamfence said: .....And you'd have one league. Expand Two ... why do fans of PL & CL teams think that the National League does not exist? It is more successful than the rest! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) On 10/1/2018 at 8:40 AM, *JJ said: Two ... why do fans of PL & CL teams think that the National League does not exist? It is more successful than the rest! Expand I think you are being over-sensitive. It is just a quicker way of describing the idea of the PL and CL merging. If they merged, then they would merge into one big league instead of two smaller ones. Nobody thinks the NL doesn't exist. Edited October 1, 2018 by Grachan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 11:12 AM, Grachan said: That's where it falls down. You are diluting again, and alienating PL sides - forcing riders out. Expand Robson retired , nobody in theoir right mind would give Wallinger a team place in anything above NL second string Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 8:40 AM, *JJ said: Two ... why do fans of PL & CL teams think that the National League does not exist? It is more successful than the rest! Expand It isn't part of the promoters conference (it has it's own), so it isn't really part of this debate, nobody thinks it doesn't exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 9:47 AM, foamfence said: It isn't part of the promoters conference (it has it's own), so it isn't really part of this debate, nobody thinks it doesn't exist. Expand To me the NL kind of doesn't exist. Not as a true league anyway. The NL is simply a development league and should only be looked at in that fashion. Isle of Wight is a developing club which looks to have the ambition to step up in the next few seasons. The way I look at the NL is a bit like Sunday league footballers. Try very hard to look professional but perform like donkeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Smith said: To me the NL kind of doesn't exist. Not as a true league anyway. The NL is simply a development league and should only be looked at in that fashion. Isle of Wight is a developing club which looks to have the ambition to step up in the next few seasons. The way I look at the NL is a bit like Sunday league footballers. Try very hard to look professional but perform like donkeys. Expand don't know if this is a trolling attempt but its a very unfair and inaccurate comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 Clearly no idea of what the NL has tried to represent. Teams like Mildenhall and Eastbourne have young riders who should be moving through the sport but are probably going to be stuck in the roadblock that the CL has become due to doubling up being so extensive in this league. Alfie Bowtell has suddenly become a high scoring reserve for Lakeside but needed patience from the team for him to develop. Supporters of the PL and some CL think that riders appear out of nowhere and some have done little to give riders in the UK a chance. Its all coming home to roost now for some as affordable riders are getting thin on the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 5:03 PM, ch958 said: don't know if this is a trolling attempt but its a very unfair and inaccurate comment. Expand Agree. Was Robert Lambert not a product of the NL? It is a shame that those who criticise have probably never ridden a speedway bike and frankly are talking out of their backside. I would like to see the scumbag in a race against any NL rider. Any rider at whatever level deserves some respect. Everyone has to start somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:10 PM, Hawk127 said: Agree. Was Robert Lambert not a product of the NL? It is a shame that those who criticise have probably never ridden a speedway bike and frankly are talking out of their backside. I would like to see the scumbag in a race against any NL rider. Any rider at whatever level deserves some respect. Everyone has to start somewhere. Expand Why should anyone have to have ridden to have a critical opinion? As an analogy, Barry Norman was a respected film critic but he never made films! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:22 PM, Sotonian said: Why should anyone have to have ridden to have a critical opinion? As an analogy, Barry Norman was a respected film critic but he never made films! Expand It was his attitude towards NL riders. You have to start somewhere and quoting Barry Norman is irrelevant. This is about speedway not some crap movie or presenter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:10 PM, Hawk127 said: Agree. Was Robert Lambert not a product of the NL? It is a shame that those who criticise have probably never ridden a speedway bike and frankly are talking out of their backside. I would like to see the scumbag in a race against any NL rider. Any rider at whatever level deserves some respect. Everyone has to start somewhere. Expand Not the have you ever ridden a speedway bike line ..zzzzzzzzz …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:34 PM, orion said: Not the have you ever ridden a speedway bike line ..zzzzzzzzz …. Expand Unfortunately for you I have. Stick to Swindon. It is your level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:37 PM, Hawk127 said: Unfortunately for you I have. Stick to Swindon. It is your level. Expand What Top League ? how hurtful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:10 PM, Hawk127 said: Agree. Was Robert Lambert not a product of the NL? It is a shame that those who criticise have probably never ridden a speedway bike and frankly are talking out of their backside. I would like to see the scumbag in a race against any NL rider. Any rider at whatever level deserves some respect. Everyone has to start somewhere. Expand No Robert Lambert was not a product of the NL. Lambert only rode in the NL because he was to young for the top 2 leagues. He was trained and developed in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:46 PM, orion said: What Top League ? how hurtful Expand Ok so it settles at a certain level you decide I cannot possibly comment on where the top league sits but I am sure Rosco has an answer but next year who knows. Could yet be Swindon versus Ipswich in 2019 but not as good as the days when Leigh Adams graced this sport✌️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:51 PM, Daniel Smith said: No Robert Lambert was not a product of the NL. Lambert only rode in the NL because he was to young for the top 2 leagues. He was trained and developed in Germany. Expand But he rode NL and you stated the class of rider in that division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 10/1/2018 at 7:54 PM, Hawk127 said: Ok so it settles at a certain level you decide I cannot possibly comment on where the top league sits but I am sure Rosco has an answer but next year who knows. Could yet be Swindon versus Ipswich in 2019 but not as good as the days when Leigh Adams graced this sport✌️ Expand Whoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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