Alarm bells at Plymouth?

[adonis]

19 minutes ago, Richard Weston said:

If those at the top of the pile want big money when they force clubs up - it is (as others have rightly noted) time for the NL to declare UDI.

Some of you will be old enough to remember the "black" Provincial League on the early 60s. Same move again?

i remebr back in the 80s  when the national league  was seperate ,ran it's own competitions  and had it's own race format .  it was running along nice and succesfully ,but of course that wasn't going to last , as soon as the British league saw the goose that laid the golden egg ,they wanted a cut  ,so Division 1 and division 2 ,   and all pissing in the same pot again

 

[adonis]

6 minutes ago, Richard Weston said:

Yes, I remember that too. Just hope NL promoters don't allow themselves to be done over this time

Problem with breaking away is ,  the Bspa are bullies , they will htreaten sanctions on any clubs who are outside their clutches , I would imagine some teams  would say we'll do it anyway ,but then the BSPA will start threatening riders and they won't dare risk a possible future career in  BSPA cuckooland by ridng in the black league

[teaboy279]

8 hours ago, JCookie said:

The NL should be a development league and nothing else. The fact that there's around 50 points between top and bottom just says it all. The likes of Mildenhall, Kent & Birmingham have no place in what should be a development league 

Funny that when trying to promote a major event the third tiers rider championship is marketed as the NLRC not the NDLRC!!! The only time the development tag is used is when higher league clubs want a cheap or free signing.

[griffo]

6 hours ago, East End Fan said:

Who decides whether the National League should be a development league and nothing else ?  Clearly JCookie does not support or go to watch N.L. racing.   At ANY level

there will always be teams at the top and teams at the bottom. Every N.L. club is a business just like those at a higher level. Does Jcookie think that all the investment made

and work done will be worth it to see very low standards ? He is deluded...in fact, the higher the standard of the 3rd tier, the better class of rider will be produced. THAT is a 

FACT and it is ignored by the BSPA who seem not to understand the sport they operate. Way back in history ( can't quite remember the actual date) the 2nd league broke away from

the Control Board and ran, I think, very successfully.  I can see the same thing happening again with the N.L. breaking away from the BSPA. And who could blame them ?

I think it was about 1960 when the Provincial League was formed and ran very successfully and I believe about 1965 they were invited back into the Fold because the other league was Foundering and down to a Few Teams.

[GWC]

2 hours ago, griffo said:

I think it was about 1960 when the Provincial League was formed and ran very successfully and I believe about 1965 they were invited back into the Fold because the other league was Foundering and down to a Few Teams.

But that is a world away from 2018 when you have riders in the NL with equipment that isn’t out of place in the PL!

Went to Kent onMonday and paid £16 including programme likewise at Eastbourne.

Its way over priced for a low standard of speedway I’m afraid.

[Fromafar]

It's certainly no Development League when you see some of the riders still hanging about in it.Bet hey are not riding for peanuts,that's why admission money is so high. 

[Halifaxtiger]

10 hours ago, Fromafar said:

It's certainly no Development League when you see some of the riders still hanging about in it.Bet hey are not riding for peanuts,that's why admission money is so high. 

I am not quite sure how you can say that with Kemp, Bebee, Marson, Jenkins, Rowe, Bickley, Dicken, Woodhull, Pavitt, Flint, Atkins, Edwards, Brennan etc riding in it.  All of these are in their first or second season at that level. Even the likes of Bowtell, Shanes, Morley, Hume, Bacon, Wood, Verge, Stoneman, Bailey, Smith, Mountain and Perks could be given the tag of developing. 

There are older riders in the league, but Jon Armstrong's reputation as a mentor is well known and of significant benefit - ask anyone. 

The league has to come to a balance between developing riders and ensuring that the product is attractive to the public, because a team full of novices most certainly is not - that's nothing more than a glorified training session.  

I think for the most part the NL hits it bang on.

 

 

 

[Fromafar]

3 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I am not quite sure how you can say that with Kemp, Bebee, Marson, Jenkins, Rowe, Bickley, Dicken, Woodhull, Pavitt, Flint, Atkins, Edwards, Brennan etc riding in it.  All of these are in their first or second season at that level. Even the likes of Bowtell, Shanes, Morley, Hume, Bacon, Wood, Verge, Stoneman, Bailey, Smith, Mountain and Perks could be given the tag of developing. 

There are older riders in the league, but Jon Armstrong's reputation as a mentor is well known and of significant benefit - ask anyone. 

The league has to come to a balance between developing riders and ensuring that the product is attractive to the public, because a team full of novices most certainly is not - that's nothing more than a glorified training session.  

I think for the most part the NL hits it bang on.

 

 

 

Agree,there is is some cracking talent coming through,what kind of money are they on at present?,then you have Roynon ,Clegg,Cockle,Bowen,Davey,Hopwood,Wilson,Shuttleworth,Atkins,Perry,Morley,Basbyall  making up the numbers and probably getting decent money which hikes up admission prices .When you look at Buxton over the years they are the one team who tried to do it right and have paid the price.

[Sings4Speedway]

Finances will always divide opinions, some will always dispute actual amounts paid, amounts paid vs risk etc and whilst some clubs are able to run within their means and be competitive others are not.

Whether a reduction in points limit / standard is reflected in admission prices remains to be seen? Again opinions will be divided but i don't feel the value for money is there enough to turn out every week and i now pick and choose my meetings and am certain im not the only one.

[cityrebel]

Looking more likely only two leagues next season. What happens to those tracks that can't afford the step up.

[teaboy279]

40 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

Looking more likely only two leagues next season. What happens to those tracks that can't afford the step up.

I think the consensus is not many any under the current system. But with more clubs in the higher league the quality will inevitably be slightly lower, hopefully reducing costs. I really hope for a 2 foreign rider rule too, so it's young Brits that benefit from the changes rather then a string of overseas riders.

[cityrebel]

1 hour ago, teaboy279 said:

I think the consensus is not many any under the current system. But with more clubs in the higher league the quality will inevitably be slightly lower, hopefully reducing costs. I really hope for a 2 foreign rider rule too, so it's young Brits that benefit from the changes rather then a string of overseas riders.

Slightly lower won't be enough for the likes of Buxton and Stoke.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

6 hours ago, cityrebel said:

Slightly lower won't be enough for the likes of Buxton and Stoke.

It’s not the standard of rider that’s the problem it’s how much the standard of rider is paid 

[cityrebel]

Even if the second and third tier meet in the middle, it's still going to mean a big financial outlay for the NL clubs. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Islander15]

 

On 9/27/2018 at 9:48 AM, Fromafar said:

Agree,there is is some cracking talent coming through,what kind of money are they on at present?,then you have Roynon ,Clegg,Cockle,Bowen,Davey,Hopwood,Wilson,Shuttleworth,Atkins,Perry,Morley,Basbyall  making up the numbers and probably getting decent money which hikes up admission prices .When you look at Buxton over the years they are the one team who tried to do it right and have paid the price.

What are those guys supposed to do though when the league system forces them out higher up? Clegg has been dropped 3 times this season higher up and Perry, Davey, Hopwood & Roynon couldn’t find a team! If there were more opportunities for these riders to step up, without being unceremoniously dropped, then maybe they wouldn’t need the NL as a fall back. But the standard of reserve in the Championship is so high that they understandably struggle and know that it’s against the current norm if they last the season. None of that is the NL’s problem. 

[Fromafar]

11 hours ago, Islander15 said:

 

What are those guys supposed to do though when the league system forces them out higher up? Clegg has been dropped 3 times this season higher up and Perry, Davey, Hopwood & Roynon couldn’t find a team! If there were more opportunities for these riders to step up, without being unceremoniously dropped, then maybe they wouldn’t need the NL as a fall back. But the standard of reserve in the Championship is so high that they understandably struggle and know that it’s against the current norm if they last the season. None of that is the NL’s problem. 

I not saying they should they shouldn't be riding in NL the concern would be can the league afford them.Ive no idea what money they will be on ,but sure it's not peanuts.There was talk of £10 / pt years ago,they certainly won't be riding for that( the majority).what are crowd levels at NL tracks?

[Halifaxtiger]

17 hours ago, cityrebel said:

Even if the second and third tier meet in the middle, it's still going to mean a big financial outlay for the NL clubs. I'll believe it when I see it.

Me too, although that's what I have heard. Go up or go down, basically.

Most of the existing NL clubs cannot afford to do either.