Peterborough v Lakeside KOC, CS SF & Play Off SF 6th/7th Oct

[PE7Panther]

On 10/1/2018 at 3:18 AM, stevehone said:

it wasn't just about that though, it was making sure ALL races were completed and not ripping off the public

So having to sit through nearly 3 hours to watch just 15 minutes or so of actual racing is ok? 

I'd argue that that should be filed under "Ripping Off The Paying Public" ..... and at least half the crowd thought so, judging by how many went home.  

 

Edited October 4, 2018 by PE7Panther

[PE7Panther]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:56 PM, wealdstone said:

Panthers did not lose through cheating , shady tactics or anything of the like. On the day Lakeside were the better team . Panthers we know were beset with injuries  but poor choice of guests were our downfall. I am not sure whether a guest was available for BWD or whether R/R  was the only option.

Can't help feeling  that the rush to get temporary lighting on Sunday while laudable was more to make a point than give fans their monies worth. Many were content and indeed did go home

spot on.  

[PE7Panther]

On 10/2/2018 at 4:11 PM, NeilWatson said:

 

The ‘rush to get temporary lighting’ was because it was the right thing to do. Only eleven heats completed, with fourteen still to go and all still to race for in both meetings.

"rush" ????  What rush?! 

The central point of the criticisms I've been making is that it took far too long.  You keep swerving that   

By the way, where do you get fourteen from?  Unless my memory is playing tricks, the floodlights failed after Heat 11.  So still to go were heats 12, 13,14 & 15.   I make that FOUR.  And we were 32-34 down at that point, which was 12 down (72-84) on aggregate.  And that, in turn, left us with only a very remote chance of going through.  It'd take three 5-1 wins on the trot to make it a last heat decider.  Now you may well argue that it was "all still to race for" but that I'd say you'd be in la-la land!  Let's not forget that Panthers had only four heat winners and just ONE heat advantage up to that point -and that was in Heat 2 against their reserve pair.  Even then it was only because Kasper Andersen overdid it on the 4th bend when miles ahead of our pair.  So you can call it "all still to race for" if you want, but I doubt if anybody else sees it that way, and certainly not the hundreds who went home.   

I tend to agree with Wealdstone when he suggests it maybe had more to do with point-scoring of a different kind.  I reckon that uppermost in the thoughts of Ged & Co were along the lines of:  "We ain't gonna win this, but if it's called off now they'll be pointing the finger back at us and we'll be a larfing stock, so get the effing lights sorted and let's get the meeting completed".  

Edited October 4, 2018 by PE7Panther

[New era Panthers]

36 minutes ago, PE7Panther said:

"rush" ????  What rush?! 

The central point of the criticisms I've been making is that it took far too long.  You keep swerving that   

By the way, where do you get fourteen from?  Unless my memory is playing tricks, the floodlights failed after Heat 11.  So still to go were heats 12, 13,14 & 15.   I make that FOUR.  And we were 32-34 down at that point, which was 12 down (72-84) on aggregate.  And that, in turn, left us with only a very remote chance of going through.  It'd take three 5-1 wins on the trot to make it a last heat decider.  Now you may well argue that it was "all still to race for" but that I'd say you'd be in la-la land!  Let's not forget that Panthers had only four heat winners and just ONE heat advantage up to that point -and that was in Heat 2 against their reserve pair.  Even then it was only because Kasper Andersen overdid it on the 4th bend when miles ahead of our pair.  So you can call it "all still to race for" if you want, but I doubt if anybody else sees it that way, and certainly not the hundreds who went home.   

I tend to agree with Wealdstone when he suggests it maybe had more to do with point-scoring of a different kind.  I reckon that uppermost in the thoughts of Ged & Co were along the lines of:  "We ain't gonna win this, but if it's called off now they'll be pointing the finger back at us and we'll be a larfing stock, so get the effing lights sorted and let's get the meeting completed".  

You are not taking into account  that there was a junior match to follow after the main meeting, those lads were there right from the start of the meeting waiting eagerly for there chance to get some racing in . So well done Ged you did the right thing getting the temp lights in action and i'm sure Ged would have wanted the minimum delay for all supporters.  It was unfortunate it took so long to get the lights ready  so give him some credit  instead of knocking him for doing the right thing for all concerned.

[Crump99]

7 hours ago, New era Panthers said:

You are not taking into account  that there was a junior match to follow after the main meeting, those lads were there right from the start of the meeting waiting eagerly for there chance to get some racing in . So well done Ged you did the right thing getting the temp lights in action and i'm sure Ged would have wanted the minimum delay for all supporters.  It was unfortunate it took so long to get the lights ready  so give him some credit  instead of knocking him for doing the right thing for all concerned.

I did see that mentioned in one report and agree that that was very noble if the reason but that does seem to have dropped off the news item and the ET article where it only says "But we’ve got a duty to the supporters who have paid to come in to give them fifteen heats".


 

[TonyE]

PE7Panther makes some good points.

It would appear that a lot of the crowd had made up their minds that the result of the tie had already been decided and, after waiting for some time, decided to go home when the delay became protracted. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and the promotion were between a rock and a hard place. Keeping the public informed is of paramount importance and, on the face of it, this could have been better on the night.

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, TonyE said:

PE7Panther makes some good points.

It would appear that a lot of the crowd had made up their minds that the result of the tie had already been decided and, after waiting for some time, decided to go home when the delay became protracted. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and the promotion were between a rock and a hard place. Keeping the public informed is of paramount importance and, on the face of it, this could have been better on the night.

Not just on the night for the regulars. Over the last 5 years (don't remember many during the Frost era or before that) there have been many lengthy delays and communication is usually not sufficient.

Edited October 5, 2018 by Crump99

[marko]

Forecast for tomorrow is even more daunting now, if it does what the met office expect, then no chance.

[cityrebel]

1 hour ago, marko said:

Forecast for tomorrow is even more daunting now, if it does what the met office expect, then no chance.

I just hope the decision is made early, I hate all the uncertainty.

[Crump99]

2 hours ago, cityrebel said:

I just hope the decision is made early, I hate all the uncertainty.

Considering that neither website has a preview for the meeting (Lakeside especially as the home side with just over 24 hours to go) I'd say that your wish will be granted unless there's some miraculous turnaround in the predicted weather: currently still wall to wall rain

[Chairboy]

With a forecast like that (significant rainfall from 10am and throughout the rest of the day), I would say calling it off as early as possible (tonight hopefully) would be appreciated by riders and fans alike. Very unfortunate for the home promotion, the band of rain is coming through at exactly the worst possible time.

[tocha]

5 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Considering that neither website has a preview for the meeting (Lakeside especially as the home side with just over 24 hours to go) I'd say that your wish will be granted unless there's some miraculous turnaround in the predicted weather: currently still wall to wall rain

Preview is on Lakeside's website.

[PE7Panther]

20 hours ago, New era Panthers said:

You are not taking into account  that there was a junior match to follow after the main meeting, those lads were there right from the start of the meeting waiting eagerly for there chance to get some racing in . So well done Ged you did the right thing getting the temp lights in action and i'm sure Ged would have wanted the minimum delay for all supporters.  It was unfortunate it took so long to get the lights ready  so give him some credit  instead of knocking him for doing the right thing for all concerned.

Two points in response:

1. They could have called off the main meeting, and those (few) who wanted to stay on and wait for the Juniors could have done so. 

2. My main point, my main criticism, is how long it took to get the temp lights sorted.   

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

2 minutes ago, PE7Panther said:

Two points in response:

1. They could have called off the main meeting, and those (few) who wanted to stay on and wait for the Juniors could have done so. 

2. My main point, my main criticism, is how long it took to get the temp lights sorted.   

I dont think that is an option

If the main meeting was halted I dont think the juniors could be run as it would be meeting closed

[NeilWatson]

3 minutes ago, PE7Panther said:

Two points in response:

1. They could have called off the main meeting, and those (few) who wanted to stay on and wait for the Juniors could have done so. 

2. My main point, my main criticism, is how long it took to get the temp lights sorted.   

1 If a meeting is abandoned no further track action is permitted - so that wouldn’t have been possible.

2 Miracles we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.....

[PE7Panther]

13 hours ago, Crump99 said:

I did see that mentioned in one report and agree that that was very noble if the reason but that does seem to have dropped off the news item and the ET article where it only says "But we’ve got a duty to the supporters who have paid to come in to give them fifteen heats".


 

Yeah, the Juniors thing is a very handy thing to hang their hats on afterwards.  I stand by my contention in a previous post (qv) about what was uppermost in their thoughts at the time.  Ged gave the game away when he was 'venting' on the mike.  I didn't hear him mention the Juniors meeting; it was all about petty point-scoring (no pun intended)against Lakeside.    

Surely nobody can argue against my criticism that it took far too long to get the temp lights sorted, and that it was an embarrassing f**k-up.   

Edited October 5, 2018 by PE7Panther

[PE7Panther]

5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

I dont think that is an option

If the main meeting was halted I dont think the juniors could be run as it would be meeting closed

ok, so call it off and let us all go home!!!! It wouldn't be the first time that a junior meeting didn't go ahead as planned.  

[PE7Panther]

5 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

1 If a meeting is abandoned no further track action is permitted - so that wouldn’t have been possible.

2 Miracles we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.....

2. Nobody's talking about expecting miracles ffs!

1. And if, for whatever reason, you can't get the lights sorted fairly swiftly, call it off and let everybody go home.  It was, like I said in a previous post, like watching Fred Karno's Army!  

Did you not see how many (how few!) people were left once Heat 12 finally got underway?  Almost no kids.  Only the usual die-hards who'd stay until midnight if necessary.   

 

[New era Panthers]

2 minutes ago, PE7Panther said:

ok, so call it off and let us all go home!!!! It wouldn't be the first time that a junior meeting didn't go ahead as planned.  

You are free to go home at any time,  some of us wanted to see the whole meeting and i'm quite happy to watch the juniors as well. If you felt so irritated by it you could have left the arena anytime you wanted without jeopardising those who were willing to stay for the continuation of the meeting

[Hodgy]

22 minutes ago, PE7Panther said:

ok, so call it off and let us all go home!!!! It wouldn't be the first time that a junior meeting didn't go ahead as planned.  

You’re not locked in, go home. Constant delays are my biggest issue (and I would probably have left), but they finished the meeting and the juniors didn’t have a wasted journey.