GiveusaB Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 The 2 riders that have impressed me on viewing this season apart from the obvious, are Alfie Bowtell and Anders Rowe . The one I expected more from (again on viewing) is/was Kyle Bickley . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 12 hours ago, GiveusaB said: Just a thought ??? not sure if anyone else has mentioned or asked this ??? How come Dan Gilkes was allowed to ride for Lakeside (championship side) last Monday ? Leon Flint wasn't allowed to ride for B'ham against Peterborough because of his age? I'm assuming Dan is 16 years old ? Kent v Lakeside was classed at NL level and Birmingham v Peterborough championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Woz01 said: Kent v Lakeside was classed at NL level and Birmingham v Peterborough championship level. thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 The problem with 3 point newcomers who are actually worth double or more, just highlights the fact that a better grading system is needed. We can all see that whichever club gets Dan Gilkes and another 3 pointer who is going to make a mockery of his average, is virtually being handed the league championship (as was the case with my team Birmingham, when we took on Jack Smith and Jack Parkinson-Blackburn as 3 pointers, and as has been the case with Mildenhall this season.) It surely wouldn't be too difficult to have a couple of independent assessors who could monitor the progress of up and coming under 15's and then give them an assessed average based on their obvious ability. This average could stay in place for say, the first month of the season, and then be re-assessed upwards or downwards as their performances merit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 nothing wrong with 3 pt averages for newbees unless you want to stunt the progress/ confidence of 15 yr olds from the start. never mind blackburn and smith last year you had flint at reserve for long enough this year . the problem is new average comes into effect only after was it 4 or 6 league meetings ? meaning a side can already be practically in the trophy final and through a rd or 2 of the cup but still have rode in only 3 league meetings. average changes whether a certain number of meetings or monthly should include all competitions . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) On 9/23/2018 at 6:54 PM, gee jay said: nothing wrong with 3 pt averages for newbees unless you want to stunt the progress/ confidence of 15 yr olds from the start. never mind blackburn and smith last year you had flint at reserve for long enough this year . the problem is new average comes into effect only after was it 4 or 6 league meetings ? meaning a side can already be practically in the trophy final and through a rd or 2 of the cup but still have rode in only 3 league meetings. average changes whether a certain number of meetings or monthly should include all competitions . Totally agree that everybody should start on a 3.00 but move up the team quicker. The problem with making a small number of meetings get a new average is somebody good can have a bad couple of meeting and drop to reserve when that is not their ability. So I suggest using 4 meetings in all competitions to get a new average for assessed riders and 8 new meetings in all competitions for everyone else! That will also stop clubs using unattached 3.00 superstars in the POs, NLKOC & NT. Edited September 30, 2018 by Islander15 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 The problem with using all meetings to be included in obtaining new averages is that all clubs do not enter all competitions, so this would favour those clubs that only do league ( or trophy) matches. That is why only league matches are counted. Of course there is an element of unfair competition when a team can field a talented kid at reserve and there are any number of examples. But in Speedway the luck of this kind of situation tends to move around the clubs, so the law of averages ( no pun intended) means that in the longer term it's the same for everyone. Got to say that Gilkes looked very impressive at Kent and Spooner seems to have had an injection of something ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:35 AM, Sings4Speedway said: Next year could be tricky as there is a whole heap of riders lurking on the sidelines next year ready to take up places at 15. With plenty of riders still on 3.00 at the end of the year there will be some headaches over the winter but along with Gilkes the Thompsons are coming, Ablitt, Palin, McGurk, Wirtzfield etc. Think Pavitt will make big strides next year at the right club. what is the right club ?, Buxton gave him a chance , and he has gone from a no -hope wobbler to a reasonable rider I would say Buxton have been the right club and if they want him back he should repay their loyalty and go back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, East End Fan said: The problem with using all meetings to be included in obtaining new averages is that all clubs do not enter all competitions, so this would favour those clubs that only do league ( or trophy) matches. That is why only league matches are counted. Of course there is an element of unfair competition when a team can field a talented kid at reserve and there are any number of examples. But in Speedway the luck of this kind of situation tends to move around the clubs, so the law of averages ( no pun intended) means that in the longer term it's the same for everyone. Got to say that Gilkes looked very impressive at Kent and Spooner seems to have had an injection of something ! Your first paragraph is true but the current situation is flawed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, adonis said: what is the right club ?, Buxton gave him a chance , and he has gone from a no -hope wobbler to a reasonable rider I would say Buxton have been the right club and if they want him back he should repay their loyalty and go back There is no doubt that some very top riders have progressed through Buxton and that is you can master the track you can master anywhere. If Pavitt chooses to stay and show some loyalty good on him and im sure he will progress, if he chooses to go to a track that has more consistent fixtures & surface i suspect he will progress faster..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/23/2018 at 5:44 PM, brianbuck said: The problem with 3 point newcomers who are actually worth double or more, just highlights the fact that a better grading system is needed. We can all see that whichever club gets Dan Gilkes and another 3 pointer who is going to make a mockery of his average, is virtually being handed the league championship (as was the case with my team Birmingham, when we took on Jack Smith and Jack Parkinson-Blackburn as 3 pointers, and as has been the case with Mildenhall this season.) It surely wouldn't be too difficult to have a couple of independent assessors who could monitor the progress of up and coming under 15's and then give them an assessed average based on their obvious ability. This average could stay in place for say, the first month of the season, and then be re-assessed upwards or downwards as their performances merit? It might not look like it but Mildenhall have just one rider who has done that - Drew Kemp. Matt Marson and Sam Bebee are up, but only by about a point and a half - good, but hardly a mockery. Aside from Kemp, the real improver has been Ryan Kinsley - up by over 3 points - and he's been around for a number of seasons. How many of us saw that one coming ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 54 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: There is no doubt that some very top riders have progressed through Buxton and that is you can master the track you can master anywhere. If Pavitt chooses to stay and show some loyalty good on him and im sure he will progress, if he chooses to go to a track that has more consistent fixtures & surface i suspect he will progress faster..... I'm not sure their will be many tracks to pick and choose from . If I were him and Buxton made positive noises I would definitley chuck my hat into buxtons ring , because there may not be that many other opportunities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 I read on another post a 30 point limit for next year? That would kill and I mean literally kill the national league. Youd have to run teams of: 1 Jason Edwards 6.70 2 Adam Extance 3.16 3 Ethan Spiller 5.38 4 Alex Spooner 4.50 5 Callum Walker 4.17 6 3 pointer 7 3 pointer that tema there means a rider who rides at number 2 is now a number 1. 2 reserves currently are now heat leader and second string land the other 2 seconds strings currently are now seen as more advanced second strings a 30 point limit is a terrible idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: I read on another post a 30 point limit for next year? That would kill and I mean literally kill the national league. Youd have to run teams of: 1 Jason Edwards 6.70 2 Adam Extance 3.16 3 Ethan Spiller 5.38 4 Alex Spooner 4.50 5 Callum Walker 4.17 6 3 pointer 7 3 pointer that tema there means a rider who rides at number 2 is now a number 1. 2 reserves currently are now heat leader and second string land the other 2 seconds strings currently are now seen as more advanced second strings a 30 point limit is a terrible idea And that would be the pick of a good team! As you say 30 would be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 i'm hoping this has just blown up from a joke or some hair-brained idea that will be rejected without any hesitation if there is any substance to it . after all where will all the race ready 16 yr olds come from without a strong 3rd tier bringing on the youth and development league riders. and who will be in this league anyway , if those mentioned move up , the bees trackless and plymouth calling it a day there'll only be the colts , stoke , buxton and a lion cubs/hunters side . as ridiculous as it sounds i am worried as i feel there is no smoke without fire and i suspect like a week before the budget when the leaks say £20 on car tax , 50p on a beer and 2% on vat then when it's £10 on car tax, 10p on beer and 1% vat we all think we've got off lightly. so i think they could be looking at 34 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) The year it went to 36 wasn’t great, 34 doesn’t make it much better than 30! The limit needs to be 42/42.5 run all 3 leagues the same remove the D from development league it’s a full league on its own that is flourishing!! Edited September 28, 2018 by TurnTwo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: The year it went to 36 wasn’t great, 34 doesn’t make it much better than 30! The limit needs to be 42/42.5 run all 3 leagues the same remove the D from development league it’s a full league on its own that is flourishing!! 100% agree the NL is in a pretty good state at the moment and it would be tragic if it is destroyed to prop up the failings of the higher leagues. Heading into the final weeks of the season there were 7 of the 10 teams still in with a shout of play off places, IOW have enjoyed a vastly improved year. Only Stoke & Buxton have had troubled years and struggle to attract the riders although Buxton certainly have the right ethos and i feel are on the climb with reputation. How about a little handicapping to help sides year on year? Play off teams build to 41, Next four to 42 & bottom two to 43? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 17 hours ago, gazzac said: And that would be the pick of a good team! As you say 30 would be a disaster. I think all National League supporters would agree with your thoughts. 30 would kill the league off entirely. But the rumours as to the truth of it keep persisting. But entering comments on this thread will not change matters. Perhaps we should all write about our concerns directly to the BSPA ? Maybe someone with the technical know-how could start an e-mail petition ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raddog Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 Would the idea behind them dropping the limit to 30 be , so alot of the higher average riders have to step up to fill the spots in the Super League ?? ( provided they go to a 2 league system ) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 hours ago, East End Fan said: I think all National League supporters would agree with your thoughts. 30 would kill the league off entirely. But the rumours as to the truth of it keep persisting. But entering comments on this thread will not change matters. Perhaps we should all write about our concerns directly to the BSPA ? Maybe someone with the technical know-how could start an e-mail petition ? We are probably pretty much agreed that the BSPA doesn't give a rat's backside about the NL. Never has and unlikely to in the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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