foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, acef said: He won’t that’s right. And that has been my point all along. If they sign Pawliki he will be a number 1 even though he may not start there. First set of averages he’s the number 1 and can guarantee he will stay there. Thorssell won’t. Which makes wolves stronger. My initial point about this team was that it doesn’t have a number 1. Sam Masters is the number one as a rider of his average should be, he is no less a number one than Fricke. Edited December 21, 2018 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Sam Masters is the number one as a rider of his average should be, he is no less a number one than Fricke. Can’t agree with that. Not even in the same postcode as max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, acef said: Can’t agree with that. Not even in the same postcode as max Averages suggest that there isn't too much between them at the moment. However, I would say Fricke does have more long term potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, acef said: Ah right so the year he had the inflated average. Okay. As Fred has accurately described, when in a leading number in the team he hasn’t been all that. Which is what I’ve been saying all along. As have I. The difference is if signed for this coming season, he isn't leading the team. He was an awful signing last season on the inflated average he was carrying and coming back from injury. Signing him meant the season was as good as over before a wheel was turned. That said, he's a rider that the club has been loyal too (and the rider to them) and have seen him improve year on year so in one respect it was understandable. What would be absolutely criminal, having thrown him in at the deep end at No 1, a position he wasn't yet ready for, is to not take advantage of him having a lower average and another years experience under his belt. He is still improving as a rider and has the potential to move forwards and next time he moves to 1 or 5 he will be in a much better position to perform. I agree, if Pawlicki were to sign it would be a superb signing and at this point I could accept him over Thorssell. What I would not be able to accept is Schlein/Masters being signed at the expense of him. That is sheer lunacy. The only excuse would be if Thorssell flat out stated he didn't want to ride in the UK this year... but then you would have thought he would come out and say something along those lines. Edited December 21, 2018 by BWitcher 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, acef said: Can’t agree with that. Not even in the same postcode as max Yet Masters gets the SGP pick ahead of Fricke for 2 years in a row? I would say that they are about the same level with Max still expected to improve while Masters has probably reached his level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, acef said: Can’t agree with that. Not even in the same postcode as max Average wise not much between them, Max may have more improvement to come and this could be his big year but at the moment there is little to choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Max did half the season at 5 and the other half at 1. He kept number 1 once he got it. Internationally. No comparison. Max was an ef away from being a GP rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Fricke is one of the next generation of Aussies with great potential and top of the pack when compared to say Kurtz, Holder but he isn’t a true number one yet but probably closest of the rivals of attaining that. Masters is a bit older than Fricke and are about the same level in the UK, however Fricke would be further ahead at achieving an international career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 Personally I would be very happy if we signed Jacob and Ash as the last 2. We would have 4 riders who were riding at No 1 at some point during the last season and all had 8+ averages at some point in the season. Backed up by Kyle and Luke with Ash spending the whole season as a reserve, happy days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, acef said: Max did half the season at 5 and the other half at 1. He kept number 1 once he got it. Internationally. No comparison. Max was an ef away from being a GP rider. Perhaps he should have scored more points earlier in the meeting then his last race ef wouldn't have mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Perhaps he should have scored more points earlier in the meeting then his last race ef wouldn't have mattered. That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, acef said: That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence And they happen all the time that is why you have to make sure you ride at your MAXimum all the time to compensate for unfortunate occurrences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, foreverblue said: And they happen all the time that is why you have to make sure you ride at your MAXimum all the time to compensate for unfortunate occurrences. I’m sure max was riding at his maximum. Like I said, only an EF stopped him and there are fine margins in these qualifiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve0 said: Yet Masters gets the SGP pick ahead of Fricke for 2 years in a row? I would say that they are about the same level with Max still expected to improve while Masters has probably reached his level. They are not the same level. I can statistically prove that. In the UK they have similar averages, however Sam’s is inflated because of where he ridden last season. He will start the season at 1, but I can guarantee he will not stay there. Max will. He earned his current average doing most of the season as a number 1. Internationally there is literally no comparison and if people can’t see that then I’m afraid they can’t be helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, acef said: I’m sure max was riding at his maximum. Like I said, only an EF stopped him and there are fine margins in these qualifiers Why was he last in a previous race sounds a bit unprofessional to have two failures in such an important meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, acef said: They are not the same level. I can statistically prove that. In the UK they have similar averages, however Sam’s is inflated because of where he ridden last season. He will start the season at 1, but I can guarantee he will not stay there. Max will. He earned his current average doing most of the season as a number 1. Internationally there is literally no comparison and if people can’t see that then I’m afraid they can’t be helped. I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. Agreed, very little between them in the UK. What they both achieve at the end of 2019 is pure speculation and not fact anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think Masters will stay at number one in the Wolves team, I agree internationally Max has a better record and would always get the nod in a world cup or cup of nations team but there is no denying their averages are similar. I can’t deny their averages are similar but I can argue that theoretically they are, and that’s because of the position they were riding in their respective teams. Sam has an inflated average. That they are so close when you consider max was a number 1, I think that paints a more accurate picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Why was he last in a previous race sounds a bit unprofessional to have two failures in such an important meeting. He’s the consummate pro. It was just bad luck. Not his time but it will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, acef said: That’s a strange logic. An ef is just an unfortunate occurrence There's no such thing as bad luck, just bad judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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