The Third Man Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Don't see how a North South split would save money, very few riders live near the track they ride for Might work if more fans go to away matches because they are close by, buts that all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Don't see how a North South split would save money, very few riders live near the track they ride for Might work if more fans go to away matches because they are close by, buts that all There would be more local derbys so as you say more fans might attend away meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 20 September 2018 at 1:07 PM, Yampy said: After 2018 didn't work out so well.... What happens next ? but surely Freddie has to be persuaded to come back?? Think Freddie has come to the understanding now that he doesn't need to be rushing around flying in and out of Britain just as most GP riders don't and doing Sweden, Poland and the GP is not only comfortable but also where the money is and don't see him back here. With Lublin getting promoted, I would also be a bit surprised if Robert Lambert does Britain next year as he already does Sweden and Germany to go alongside Poland and the SEC. On 20 September 2018 at 4:36 PM, stevebrum said: No good discussing any thoughts until we know the outcome of the AGM!! Exactly as as it could be like it is, one big league, six or seven man teams and god knows what limit and restrictions but some suggestions here can possibly be put out of reach whichever way it goes. On 21 September 2018 at 1:58 PM, Beowulf said: I notice in the Speedway Star that Klint's average is not far from Jacob's (albeit from less matches) I like Jacob but this year has to go down as a disappointment. That said there is no guarantee that Fred will ever be back. Firstly it's over the same amount of matches and Nicolai has matured as a rider and while Jacob hasn't had a great year anywhere, he is a bargain in a low average next season and possibly the first name on the team next year in either two leagues or one big league. Note that Nicolai is no longer a Wolves asset, so although I think he could be a better rider now back there, he turned them down last year and was sold even though he still lives near by. On 21 September 2018 at 11:24 PM, Wolfie456 said: I heard still 3 leagues with probably Ipswich Sheffield Glasgow and Peterborough in premiership with Birmingham Eastbourne and isle of Wight in championship Dont see any Championship team having any thoughts of moving up. The costs rise and they would have to sign a bigger rider but staying in the Championship is doing them fine as they are so why change. Birmingham am maybe and think Eastbourne could do well but can't see them changing or IoW On 22 September 2018 at 11:01 AM, B.V 72 said: North and south split could be the way to go more chance of attracting away fans cut costs etc. Never work as current Premiership clubs will have a stronger hold and as you say, you wouldn't get to see half the teams. As as for attracting away fans, let's concentrate on getting more local fans in first not trying to expand the very few that do travel now. Make the product more affordable to the majority and get the word out what speedway is. One league will will give much more variety of fixtures, more weekly matches too and number sevens would be NL riders plus most reserves. Build to Championship levels and welcome in new riders from Denmark, Sweden, Germany, USA and others to ensure with NL riders there is enough for seven man teams. As for Wolves next season. Jacob Thorssell has to be in on a bargain average and if they can keep Kyle Howarth on an average around five he would also be a bargain, but in one league I think Sheffield won't won't to lose him. Luke Becker would be a must and while he has been tipped to join Poole, Wolves have a great tradition of American riders and Sam wouldn't be far to help. They also build loyalty to riders and he could have a long career at Wolves. In one league Sam not being an asset could see him at Edinburgh again and Rory maybe staying at Ipswich but I know he loves it at Wolves. Maybe a new number one coming in and a younger rider which could be a suprise signing to Wolves fans and the club he may be with now ? Ashley Morris is an asset, but will he progress anymore. In one league he would be a second string but as it is a reserve and that could be a big difference in what he can do. Nathan Greaves is a firm favourite and can see him being back at number six and no doubt many would love to see Tom Bacon in but is a Peterborough asset. Guessing games me sin many ways until we see what they decide on their annual piss up ..... I mean meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Looking forward to the talk in in October to see if any ideas will be given on next season. Both Pete and CVS are usually forthright with their opinions so hoping for a bit of news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 10:24 PM, Wolfie456 said: I heard still 3 leagues with probably Ipswich Sheffield Glasgow and Peterborough in premiership with Birmingham Eastbourne and isle of Wight in championship Wouldn't that mean even smaller difference between PL and CL especially if some current riders don't, for whatever reasons, return for the 2019 PL? Also I know IOW is highly regarded but would they be wise to leave their current level? Maybe it's Plymouth and/or Mildenhall more likely to make the jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:24 PM, Wolfie456 said: I heard still 3 leagues with probably Ipswich Sheffield Glasgow and Peterborough in premiership with Birmingham Eastbourne and isle of Wight in championship Can't allow both Sheffield and Leicester in the same league with the same promotion!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Can't allow both Sheffield and Leicester in the same league with the same promotion!!! This is Speedway rules can be changed to suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Can't allow both Sheffield and Leicester in the same league with the same promotion!!! Same owners but separate promoters on paper is surely easily arranged if required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 On 9/24/2018 at 7:32 PM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Same owners but separate promoters on paper is surely easily arranged if required They have different promoters anyway, Lions - Dave Darcy & Neil Machin , Sheffield -Damien Bates, Julie Reading & Peter Mole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I believe Paul Bates is the actual owner of both Sheffield and Leicester, but he isn't listed as a Promoter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) Looking at the current GSA's there is the potential to have a much more balanced side next year assuming the current league structure and points limit remains the same Sam Masters 8.11 Jacob Thorssell 7.25 Nick Morris 6.91 Ricky Wells 5.43 Kyle Howarth 5.16 Nathan Greaves 3.25 Leaving 6.39 for one more rider. We have to have more strength in depth if we don't go with Freddie at No 1 and this would give us 3 decent heat leaders, 2 decent second strings and Kyle and Nathan at reserve Edited September 26, 2018 by Call me wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Will be too high for the new points limit i would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 12:41 PM, BWitcher said: Why has he been a disappointment? He's actually done better than he should have been expected too. You should have been expressing your disappointment when he was signed as the No 1 in the first place on an inflated average! The season was a good way to being done at that point. Dropping his average from last year to me is a disappointment. And no I don't buy the the argument that he had easier rides at no 4 last year. We chose tactically to put a heat leader at no 4. Other teams may have made the same decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Beowulf said: Dropping his average from last year to me is a disappointment. And no I don't buy the the argument that he had easier rides at no 4 last year. We chose tactically to put a heat leader at no 4. Other teams may have made the same decision. Come on, you're more intelligent than that surely? It isn't an 'argument' to buy. It's a reality. The 4th ride is 1 & 5 v 1 & 5 or 4 & 6 v 4 & 7. So by 'not buying' the argument you are claiming that racing against two reserves is not easier than racing against two No 1's. Then of course if the other team didn't have their second best rider at 4, it's even easier still. The effects are quite obvious just by looking at the Wolves season. Schlein started at No 4, easier riders, average soared, went to No 1. Harder position, began to struggle. Meanwhile, Masters who had been struggling by his previous standards was moved to No 4, hey presto he suddenly starts scoring heavily and he moves to No 1, where of course his scores drop again. The difference between riding at 4 or 5 is 1-2 pts in terms of average over the course of the season. Edited September 26, 2018 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: Looking at the current GSA's there is the potential to have a much more balanced side next year assuming the current league structure and points limit remains the same Sam Masters 8.11 Jacob Thorssell 7.25 Nick Morris 6.91 Ricky Wells 5.43 Kyle Howarth 5.16 Nathan Greaves 3.25 Leaving 6.39 for one more rider. We have to have more strength in depth if we don't go with Freddie at No 1 and this would give us 3 decent heat leaders, 2 decent second strings and Kyle and Nathan at reserve Same problem as this year with that team - no number 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, magnificentseven said: Same problem as this year with that team - no number 1 Not so much, the problem with the team this year was he had riders such as Thorssell and Howarth who were never going to maintain their averages. In the side above, every single one of those riders can increase, especially Thorssell, Morris and Howarth, especially as Howarth would be starting at reserve! We would also have a very strong reserve throughout the entire season. Indeed, given a similar structure I would have that team down as favorites without even seeing the opposition it would be that strong. I highly doubt it will be the same setup though. Edited September 26, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 2:04 PM, Call me wolfie said: Looking at the current GSA's there is the potential to have a much more balanced side next year assuming the current league structure and points limit remains the same Sam Masters 8.11 Jacob Thorssell 7.25 Nick Morris 6.91 Ricky Wells 5.43 Kyle Howarth 5.16 Nathan Greaves 3.25 Leaving 6.39 for one more rider. We have to have more strength in depth if we don't go with Freddie at No 1 and this would give us 3 decent heat leaders, 2 decent second strings and Kyle and Nathan at reserve Do we know the points limit ? Is Ricky Wells still an asset now ? One rider that is and could possibly do with a year here after a year of brilliance or nothing is Piotr Pawlicki who would be a great signing for Wolves and British Speedway in general. Jacob is on a modest average and if Kyle is available he too is on a low average. Hopefully Luke Becker joining rather than going to Poole would also be a good signing. Morris or Greaves but only one of them and see what the limit is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Talk is that Nick Morris is all but secured for next year at Monmore. Certainly didn't have a great season in 2018 but like Thorssell, Howarth, Wells and a few others will be on modest averages next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 9/26/2018 at 2:04 PM, Call me wolfie said: Looking at the current GSA's there is the potential to have a much more balanced side next year assuming the current league structure and points limit remains the same Sam Masters 8.11 Jacob Thorssell 7.25 Nick Morris 6.91 Ricky Wells 5.43 Kyle Howarth 5.16 Nathan Greaves 3.25 Leaving 6.39 for one more rider. We have to have more strength in depth if we don't go with Freddie at No 1 and this would give us 3 decent heat leaders, 2 decent second strings and Kyle and Nathan at reserve ...and which league format would you see this team competing in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: ...and which league format would you see this team competing in? If you read his post he clearly states which. I guess this is another of your 'I know something' posts. Edited October 27, 2018 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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