Sidney the robin Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, MattK said: Four of those five are exactly the people who have presided over the slow and steady decline of British speedway. What makes you think they have the answers now? If you want fresh thinking you need people who ideally have no connection with speedway, potentially even from outside the world of sport. Anyone with no knowledge of the sport coming in blind would sink faster than the Titanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Total nonsense worst post ever from you Matt those five know more about speedway than you would ever hope to know. If they have the answers to speedway's problems, why haven't they spoken up sooner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Anyone with no knowledge of the sport coming in blind would sink faster than the Titanic And yet you were singing Barry Hearn's praises. What does he know about speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, MattK said: And yet you were singing Barry Hearn's praises. What does he know about speedway? Did you not realise Hearn turned his nose up at speedway old stadia (ect) .If you think some guy who has run a successful pizza joint is going to be able to come in and turn British speedway around good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Did you not realise Hearn turned his nose up at speedway old stadia (ect) .If you think some guy who has run a successful pizza joint is going to be able to come in and turn British speedway around good luck with that. I'm sure the CEO of Domino's will have more ideas about how to market speedway than the current incumbents at the BSPA. When Barry Hearn became chairman of the PDC did he change the value of a bull's eye to 75 and introduce a rule where if a player is 100 points down his next three darts count double? Of course not. He was looking at the bigger picture, how to revolutionise the presentation of darts, engaging with sponsors who can bring credibility to the sport and negotiating a multi-million pound TV deal. This is the problem with the BSPA. They think they can turn around speedway's fortunes by endless tinkering with the rules, league structures and names. If anything the BSPA are too close to speedway. How often do the likes of the FA, RFU and so on introduce the types of rule changes we see every year in speedway. What the BPSA as the governing body should be doing is looking at the bigger picture not arguing over rule changes every year. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, MattK said: I'm sure the CEO of Domino's will have more ideas about how to market speedway than the current incumbents at the BSPA. When Barry Hearn became chairman of the PDC did he change the value of a bull's eye to 75 and introduce a rule where if a player is 100 points down his next three darts count double? Of course not. He was looking at the bigger picture, how to revolutionise the presentation of darts, engaging with sponsors who can bring credibility to the sport and negotiating a multi-million pound TV deal. This is the problem with the BSPA. They think they can turn around speedway's fortunes by endless tinkering with the rules, league structures and names. If anything the BSPA are too close to speedway. How often do the likes of the FA, RFU and so on introduce the types of rule changes we see every year in speedway. What the BPSA as the governing body should be doing is looking at the bigger picture not arguing over rule changes every year. ...agree totally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 The BSPA have listened to what the fans want but it takes time to implement & tweak to get things right. I have been searching for the older AGM's & found notice of Harkess having his last year of a term of 6 as Chairman. He is now President but it is a Honorary position. This makes me think that Chapman has 3 more years. I also found that when appointed to the Board it is a 3 year term. Therefore, there could be changes for 2019. It was interesting seeing posters names back then & seeing what they were saying to what they are saying now. Also, Rules were made or changed pre AGM so before the new committee were in place so had to run in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: The BSPA have listened to what the fans want but it takes time to implement & tweak to get things right. I have been searching for the older AGM's & found notice of Harkess having his last year of a term of 6 as Chairman. He is now President but it is a Honorary position. This makes me think that Chapman has 3 more years. I also found that when appointed to the Board it is a 3 year term. Therefore, there could be changes for 2019. It was interesting seeing posters names back then & seeing what they were saying to what they are saying now. Also, Rules were made or changed pre AGM so before the new committee were in place so had to run in 2016 It takes time...…………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: I am not a lover of Barry Hearn a dictator i know but he gets things right 99% of the time and has kept up with the times.That sort of leadership could work Berry would of been great but it was not to be ancient history .Five names i would put forward to work TOGETHER to revamp British speedway would be Eric Boocock - Neil Vatcher- Neil Machin- Lee Kilby- Peter Adams all of them have serious qualities and what they all have in common is that they all love speedway. Do you know any of those people or just the public persona ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 We say every year it's the most important one. That's how low the sport as sunk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted September 21, 2018 Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 Cat amongst the pidgeons. Loathe him or admire him Matt Ford has run one of the most successful clubs and given that he appears to be reaching that point on where he goes next, perhaps he could relinquish the reigns at Poole and do what John Berry tried to achieve. Matt knows speedway inside out, is one of the few people who could probably command some respect from those outside the sport given his business acumen and at this juncture speedway has nothing to lose. Carry on with the current crew and no changes (either Matt or someone with a good PR and presence) then it is a lost cause and the chances of recovery are slim. It needs something radical to happen not just the regular tinkering and tweaking which simply alienates all and sundry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted September 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, adonis said: Do you know any of those people or just the public persona ? No i know none of them personally Kilby ( jnr) i know to say hello great guy just like his dad.!!' Edited September 21, 2018 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 One thing you can be sure of is that the slow death of UK speedway will continue, mainly because most of the changes that will be unveiled will not involve anything about marketing that reaches the general public. I feel that we could do worse ( possibly ) than introduce the pink helmet cover which would at least be in tune with things the outside world are interested in and familiar with. The letter in the SS his week from Julie Bean says so much about the apathy of speedway clubs in taking up or looking for opportunities ( even when free except for their own expenses ). To paraphrase the song " The only way is down". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, waytogo28 said: One thing you can be sure of is that the slow death of UK speedway will continue, mainly because most of the changes that will be unveiled will not involve anything about marketing that reaches the general public. I feel that we could do worse ( possibly ) than introduce the pink helmet cover which would at least be in tune with things the outside world are interested in and familiar with. The letter in the SS his week from Julie Bean says so much about the apathy of speedway clubs in taking up or looking for opportunities ( even when free except for their own expenses ). To paraphrase the song " The only way is down". The crowds that Speedway gets are actually "quite good" in my opinion considering... a) The way it runs itself delivers nothing but 'Mickey Mouse' Competitions devoid of any credibility or kudos.. b) The Sport has zero national collective marketing meaning just a tiny, tiny proportion of the population know of its existence, and therefore by definition, the local club based practically on their doorstep... c) It's lack of an all round 'full night out' entertainment package to enhance just 15 mins of what can often be 'basic' action for a circa £20 admission cost that reflects more the payroll costs rather than what's actually on offer.. and d) The fact it is ran so many times around the Country on the worst nights of the week in which to attract its best attendances. Imagine the potential crowds if it could sort just those four things out? I would suggest triple digit growth in some places given the tiny low average crowd base so many would be coming from... Ironically, given how badly the Sport has been ran for the past 15 years or so, that abject performance actually now provides a huge opportunity for growth, especially given how much correcting those clearly obvious fundamental issues would benefit it.... When you've reached 'rock bottom', as in some places it appears to have, the only way is up, so what an opportunity now exists for growth! Have the Promoters got the vision or talent to see that huge opportunity and grab it though? I know my thoughts... Edited September 22, 2018 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Total nonsense worst post ever from you Matt those five know more about speedway than you would ever hope to know. I have to agree with Matt K here , the only one of your candidates I would even consider is Neil Machin , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 19 hours ago, MattK said: I'm sure the CEO of Domino's will have more ideas about how to market speedway than the current incumbents at the BSPA. When Barry Hearn became chairman of the PDC did he change the value of a bull's eye to 75 and introduce a rule where if a player is 100 points down his next three darts count double? Of course not. He was looking at the bigger picture, how to revolutionise the presentation of darts, engaging with sponsors who can bring credibility to the sport and negotiating a multi-million pound TV deal. This is the problem with the BSPA. They think they can turn around speedway's fortunes by endless tinkering with the rules, league structures and names. If anything the BSPA are too close to speedway. How often do the likes of the FA, RFU and so on introduce the types of rule changes we see every year in speedway. What the BPSA as the governing body should be doing is looking at the bigger picture not arguing over rule changes every year. Does old stadia for most clubs all over the country hold the sport back for me this is the biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 12 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: No i know none of them personally Kilby ( jnr) i know to say hello great guy just like his dad.!!' I'm a great guy . but put me in charge of the whole of speedway and it would faster than the Titanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, adonis said: I have to agree with Matt K here , the only one of your candidates I would even consider is Neil Machin , Lee Kilby along with Neil Vatcher are the future Kilby has done a great job at Swindon is great with the kids and is very approachable.Vatcher what more can you say he has done a great job with the young guns and he has helped put us on the road to a bright future.Boocock/ Adams what more can you say about those two as far as i know both have had no real influence on the major decisions of the last 30 years they cannot be associated with failure..Machin well he kept Sheffield afloat in very difficult times and it is down to him that Sheffield speedway is still operating.Forget the five i named i am sure everybody could name there own five but my main point is with five people they can be made accountable transparency put in place and with five heads you are more and likely agoing to get the right decisions made on the important issues.Speedway is not a sport in my opinion to come into if you have no idea of how it works and how it operates and what breed of people actually go I would say it is one of the most difficult sports to turn around and prosper i think the first thing is to try and get stability back in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, adonis said: I'm a great guy . but put me in charge of the whole of speedway and it would faster than the Titanic Did i ever say put in CHARGE by the way it cannot be run any worse than it is at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Put me and the small group of fans I know well in charge and we could only make a better overall job, than how it is being run now. I would be happy to do it for expenses only, as would the most thoughtful of posters on here. We all had lots of life and business experience besides our current part-time job as keyboard scribes. However, the BSPA recoils from the word feedback Edited September 22, 2018 by waytogo28 additional 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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