Derwent Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 The problem the Comets have is that they have nothing to contribute financially to the new stadium project. Town will surrender their lease and the council will sell the land as freehold. Same for the Reds who will surrender their lease on Borough Park to allow that land to be used for access and parking for the stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket007 Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Generally, Football fans like to be as close to the pitch as possible and don't like viewing across a Athletics/Speedway Track. Also , it impacts greatly on atmosphere at Football Grounds. If, and I hope it does go ahead, a new purpose built stadium is created, then it would be done with the future in mind, and if Workington FC suddenly had a couple of good seasons, they wouldn't be allowed back into the FL with a Speedway Track around the pitch. Gateshead in the NL have the same problem, as if they win the League they cannot play League Football at their International Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I just hope Workington Comets are still around to fight their corner when the time comes. I'd be more concerned about the more immediate future. I'm not a Comets supporter so I don't know if things have improved compared to last year. it didn't look any better the two times I've been this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, topaz325 said: Would be a great shame if Derwent Park was to be demolished , it is one of the best stadiums in the country for viewing Speedway and the track if prepared well (which it usually is) provides a great racing strip. This is provided there is a promoter willing to run the Speedway in 2019. Word about is Kirkland Carpets are going to be taking over next year from Thomas Armstrong as new team sponsor so it sounds like we're going for 2019 - All being well Edited September 20, 2018 by Shaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 lots of rumours going round as for new stadium only way it can be built and justified is if there is a general manager/team put in place to git it used as a function venue no way is it viable to spend the money needed for 2 sports teams averaging around 500 each through the gates we all know how corrupt polatian's and councilers are it could just be 1 big fiddle to get business's there involved in a over inflated price for doing work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Not even 500 each I'd say Scarra but, in the long term, a good move perhaps being as the "Green" directly opposite is in line for hotel development? Don't fancy a long drive home at night, couple of hundred yards up the road there's a hotel or a Costa Coffee for the caffeine hit if you do..... could be a whole new outlook down the bottom end of town in a few years time!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 hours ago, rocket007 said: Generally, Football fans like to be as close to the pitch as possible and don't like viewing across a Athletics/Speedway Track. Also , it impacts greatly on atmosphere at Football Grounds. If, and I hope it does go ahead, a new purpose built stadium is created, then it would be done with the future in mind, and if Workington FC suddenly had a couple of good seasons, they wouldn't be allowed back into the FL with a Speedway Track around the pitch. Gateshead in the NL have the same problem, as if they win the League they cannot play League Football at their International Stadium. Is this really true? Surely West Ham has an athletics track around it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 3 hours ago, George Dodds said: Is this really true? Surely West Ham has an athletics track around it. Honestly It does? as do many European Clubs, (oops we are coming out of Europe so that might not be a good analogy) however the one thing that would stop Workington FC from being promoted to the football league I believe would be the 3G/4G pitch and although quite recently the Conference League changed its rules to allow synthetic pitches to be used to avoid the possibility that they might have to refuse promotion to that League to a club with a 3G/4G pitch should they be promoted, I honestly don't think there is a ban by the Football League for pitches with Running, Speedway or any other extraneous tracks encompassing the pitch. I stand to be corrected however currently artificial surfaces as far as I am aware are not allowed in the Football League, I remember when Luton Town had their plastic pitch and one or two other clubs followed suit but as I remember it (not very well as it happens these days) the fad for plastic pitches did not last very long. I believe the plug was pulled on quality which with these new 3G/4G is becoming less of an issue so no doubt there will be a change of heart on these plastic pitches and they will be everywhere sooner than we think. As "mikebv" points out "the NSS shows that a great race track can be built around an artificial grass rugby and football pitch" however as "Derwent " also correctly states "The problem the Comets have is that they have nothing to contribute financially to the new stadium project." other than fans who have spending power and that's why the project I believe should include something for the Speedway to maximise the use of the new stadium, Just been watching a new synthetic pitch being installed at Wallsend Boys Club at the thick end of £500,000 which is a hell of an investment and outlay. So this new stadium will not come cheap and I would like to think that the Council will look to accommodate the Speedway Club at the new stadium with an inclusive outlook and knowing the conflict and animosity between the football and rugby clubs that has endured over the years the common sense approach could be to let the speedway club take the lead and manage and run the new venue. After all it is what the current promotion do "its their thing" having been the facilities operation responsible for running Carlisle United FC until very recently and still run the Sands Venue in Carlisle. But when has common sense had anything to do with it, (with anything for that matter) Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 16 hours ago, mikebv said: And the NSS shows that a great race track can be built around an artificial grass rugby and football pitch... With no impact to the surface of the centre green... So no one can use that as a reason for not allowing Speedway in any new stadium that lays a 3/4G pitch.. Apart from the slight problem that the centre green pitch is not big enough for adult football or rugby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlislecomet2 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 The new stadium idea has been kicking around for a number of years now, and does make a lot of sense in many ways. Both DP and Borough Park, whilst having history and 'character' are both decrepit and not fit for purpose. Not sure I would like DP as a second home Singy! A single state of the art 6000 capacity stadium with a 3G/4G pitch is the way forward would need community facilities which would ensure that it was used by more than just the football and rugby clubs. A developer however would have to be found to bankroll the project, as Allerdale will not have the funding to do so, with their financial input probably being limited to the sale of the land to the said developer. Developments of this type take years to come to fruition due to the lengthy consultation processes involved, therefore both existing grounds will be around for a while yet with THJ's assessment of 7 years being much nearer the mark. THJ has beaten me to it, as I too don't think there is anything at present to prevent football clubs having a running track around their pitch, however 3G/4G pitches are not permitted, though they have them in Scotland and elsewhere in Europe. As they are developed further things may, and probably will change as clubs, particularly at lower levels strive to make the most out of their grounds to keep themselves viable. Man Utd. played on one last night in Bern, though Jose was moaning about it afterwards - no change there! With regard to the Olympic Stadium, West Ham have installed retractable seating which covers most, but not all of the track area - they have laid artificial grass over the remainder and are presently in a battle to have it claret and not green! As a football supporter too, I am against having tracks around the pitch as it detracts from the atmosphere and match day experience. Therefore I think that speedway needs a stadium of its own and would like to think that Allerdale would look on us kindly and include the development of Northside for speedway rather than a site for 'local travellers' as part of the whole project. As others have already noted it would help our cause no end if we had more people coming through the gate, at least to match those attending the football and rugby in the town. What better time to get down to the speedway than in the next few weeks when a local team has a chance of winning a national title - not something that the football or rugby teams have done for a while 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket007 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Carlislecomet2 said: The new stadium idea has been kicking around for a number of years now, and does make a lot of sense in many ways. Both DP and Borough Park, whilst having history and 'character' are both decrepit and not fit for purpose. Not sure I would like DP as a second home Singy! A single state of the art 6000 capacity stadium with a 3G/4G pitch is the way forward would need community facilities which would ensure that it was used by more than just the football and rugby clubs. A developer however would have to be found to bankroll the project, as Allerdale will not have the funding to do so, with their financial input probably being limited to the sale of the land to the said developer. Developments of this type take years to come to fruition due to the lengthy consultation processes involved, therefore both existing grounds will be around for a while yet with THJ's assessment of 7 years being much nearer the mark. THJ has beaten me to it, as I too don't think there is anything at present to prevent football clubs having a running track around their pitch, however 3G/4G pitches are not permitted, though they have them in Scotland and elsewhere in Europe. As they are developed further things may, and probably will change as clubs, particularly at lower levels strive to make the most out of their grounds to keep themselves viable. Man Utd. played on one last night in Bern, though Jose was moaning about it afterwards - no change there! With regard to the Olympic Stadium, West Ham have installed retractable seating which covers most, but not all of the track area - they have laid artificial grass over the remainder and are presently in a battle to have it claret and not green! As a football supporter too, I am against having tracks around the pitch as it detracts from the atmosphere and match day experience. Therefore I think that speedway needs a stadium of its own and would like to think that Allerdale would look on us kindly and include the development of Northside for speedway rather than a site for 'local travellers' as part of the whole project. As others have already noted it would help our cause no end if we had more people coming through the gate, at least to match those attending the football and rugby in the town. What better time to get down to the speedway than in the next few weeks when a local team has a chance of winning a national title - not something that the football or rugby teams have done for a while You have explained exactly what West Ham have to do to cover the Athletics Track from being visible.(Premiership clubs seem to get away with doing what they like, as there was a written rule that stated no club can relocate within 3 miles of another League clubs postcode, which is why Orient kicked up a fuss, but were just over run) Gateshead would not be allowed to play at their Stadium if they get promoted from the NL. Looking on Google Earth, selling off Derwent Park and redeveloping Borough Park for both sports, with the Speedway behind on the old dog track would look like a good option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 3G/4G..... what's your mobile data rate got to do with building a pitch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlislecomet2 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, rocket007 said: You have explained exactly what West Ham have to do to cover the Athletics Track from being visible.(Premiership clubs seem to get away with doing what they like, as there was a written rule that stated no club can relocate within 3 miles of another League clubs postcode, which is why Orient kicked up a fuss, but were just over run) Gateshead would not be allowed to play at their Stadium if they get promoted from the NL. Looking on Google Earth, selling off Derwent Park and redeveloping Borough Park for both sports, with the Speedway behind on the old dog track would look like a good option. Yep, can see that working. Almost going the full circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 Noise tests were done at the dog track in the late 80s or early 90s am sure they failed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Noise tests were done at the dog track in the late 80s or early 90s am sure they failed ! Gone to the dogs then , what a bark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 56 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Gone to the dogs then , what a bark. Yes its a bit rough on us old dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, geoff100 said: Noise tests were done at the dog track in the late 80s or early 90s am sure they failed ! Yeah but back in the "old" days the silencers were of a completely different design to what they are now and the current noise standards must be being met to allow speedway to continue at DP, moving to a redeveloped multi use stadia on the current Borough Park site puts the speedway no closer to housing than we already are at DP? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, BuxtonTiger said: Apart from the slight problem that the centre green pitch is not big enough for adult football or rugby! Then keep the shape of the track something like the NSS but just make it bigger to fit around the bigger pitch.. My point was more about any threat of damage to the surface should anyone put up complaints.. Edited September 20, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 It's a shame DP and Northside are both under threat. The coastline opposite the latter is a sight to behold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singy13 Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Then keep the shape of the track something like the NSS but just make it bigger to fit around the bigger pitch.. My point was more about any threat of damage to the surface should anyone put up complaints.. He was referring to the NSS centre green I'm sure......Derwent Park has a full size rugby pitch in regular use by Workington Town RLFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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