foreverblue Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: As a I’ve said before I think he got involved for the right reasons but ended up making things worse, I’m all for passion and defending your own riders but he went OTT. Haven’t read the article but I’d have thought he’d have been better off reiterating his apology and playing the whole thing down personally, perhaps there was other stuff going on behind the scenes on the night which we don’t know about which wound him up but he should have acted differently and been a bit calmer about it all. Notice I haven’t told you to go and find yourself a Poole thread starman He doesn't seem like someone who can let things go but just gets more and more annoyed, how many times did he mention the track being different from normal? He did apologise at the time on tv so don't know why he is not playing it down like you say. I would tell Starman to go find his own thread if I were you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 But its ok for a team manager to accept his rider getting in a fight on a night out and then the same rider being under drugs or alcohol and driving an uninsured and unregistered vehicle and being banned from driving................its what kids do. Watch the Belle Vue footage again, Simon Lambert is the issue here going up to Etheridge, which led to the mechanic getting involved so Allitt took him away up to the fence. Allitt isnt blameless but he was a manager protecting his riders , they all do it and Middlo is as bad if not worse in his backing of Darcy 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gavan said: But its ok for a team manager to accept his rider getting in a fight on a night out and then the same rider being under drugs or alcohol and driving an uninsured and unregistered vehicle and being banned from driving................its what kids do. Watch the Belle Vue footage again, Simon Lambert is the issue here going up to Etheridge, which led to the mechanic getting involved so Allitt took him away up to the fence. Allitt isnt blameless but he was a manager protecting his riders , they all do it and Middlo is as bad if not worse in his backing of Darcy The two situations are completely different, Middlo was trying to be supportive and play down the incident which maybe is what Allit should be doing. Edited September 28, 2018 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Gavan said: But its ok for a team manager to accept his rider getting in a fight on a night out and then the same rider being under drugs or alcohol and driving an uninsured and unregistered vehicle and being banned from driving................its what kids do. Watch the Belle Vue footage again, Simon Lambert is the issue here going up to Etheridge, which led to the mechanic getting involved so Allitt took him away up to the fence. Allitt isnt blameless but he was a manager protecting his riders , they all do it and Middlo is as bad if not worse in his backing of Darcy Somewhat diplomatic saying Allit took the mechanic away to the fence. He attacked him when, if he wanted to calm the situation, he should have been dragging Simon Lambert away. His tweet later that night also indicated a lack of remorse and an understanding of the seriousness of an officiant acting as he did "Great come back and a bit of wwe!! Just backing my boys @ruthlesslambert @typroctor20 @tjracing11 @doniversen @MPTRacing267 @lambo_racing #ErikRiss awesome from our fans @KLSpeedway @KLSSClub see you Monday #halftime" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Somewhat diplomatic saying Allit took the mechanic away to the fence. He attacked him when, if he wanted to calm the situation, he should have been dragging Simon Lambert away. His tweet later that night also indicated a lack of remorse and an understanding of the seriousness of an officiant acting as he did "Great come back and a bit of wwe!! Just backing my boys @ruthlesslambert @typroctor20 @tjracing11 @doniversen @MPTRacing267 @lambo_racing #ErikRiss awesome from our fans @KLSpeedway @KLSSClub see you Monday #halftime" Did i say Allit did nothing wrong? He removed the mechanic quite forcefully to the fence. I was simply pointing out all managers would protect their riders, as Middlo did with countless incidents with Ward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 You would think WW3 had broke out the way this has been discussed it last about 10 seconds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gavan said: Did i say Allit did nothing wrong? He removed the mechanic quite forcefully to the fence. I was simply pointing out all managers would protect their riders, as Middlo did with countless incidents with Ward You've now added "quite forcefully" . It wasn't whether you implied that Allit did nothing wrong, it was that your original comment, which you have now changed, didn't reflect what happened. As for all managers protecting their riders, I didn't see Lemon rushing out just as he didn't during the Cook, Lindgren incident. 13 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You would think WW3 had broke out the way this has been discussed it last about 10 seconds I don't think anyone has exaggerated it to that level but surely the serious issue here is that an official has taken it upon himself to get involved and instead of calming the situation, decided to join in and physically attack a mechanic. I haven't seen posts asking for the authorities to deal with him severely or otherwise but it happened on live TV so you can hardly expect everyone to ignore it. The time it took is an irrelevance. Edited September 28, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think ‘attacked’ is a bit strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Somewhat diplomatic saying Allit took the mechanic away to the fence. He attacked him when, if he wanted to calm the situation, he should have been dragging Simon Lambert away. His tweet later that night also indicated a lack of remorse and an understanding of the seriousness of an officiant acting as he did It was an assault and anywhere else could easily have had serious consequences with the police. He showed no self-control and no interest in resolving the dispute before it worsened. No man management skills. More like a bully boy. It certainly was an attack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I think ‘attacked’ is a bit strong. He didn't politely guide him away from the incident, he took hold of him and forced him up against the fence. I wouldn't want to over egg it,, I've seen far worse. We could leave it at he assaulted him if that is more acceptable but any reasonable person witnessing it would describe it as an attack. Edited September 28, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Aces51 said: You've now added "quite forcefully" . It wasn't whether you implied that Allit did nothing wrong, it was that your original comment, which you have now changed, didn't reflect what happened. As for all managers protecting their riders, I didn't see Lemon rushing out just as he didn't during the Cook, Lindgren incident. I don't think anyone has exaggerated it to that level but surely the serious issue here is that an official has taken it upon himself to get involved and instead of calming the situation, decided to join in and physically attack a mechanic. I haven't seen posts asking for the authorities to deal with him severely or otherwise but it happened on live TV so you can hardly expect everyone to ignore it. The time it took is an irrelevance. I agree with another poster thought Allitt was just trying to stop another mechanic getting involved.But hey ho ,you need abit of excitement these days as the racing at most venues these days has very little going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 People do realise allit stormed to jye same time as Lambert to have a go. The mechanic got inbetween them to split it up and allit reacted by fencing him. Which made summer's push allit. Allit and Lambert started the fracas. Etheridge had his say. Then it ended when he stopped to get off his bike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Aces51 said: He didn't politely guide him away from the incident, he took hold of him and forced him up against the fence. I wouldn't want to over egg it,, I've seen far worse. We could leave it at he assaulted him if that is more acceptable but any reasonable person witnessing it would describe it as an attack. We’ll agree to disagree but at least yourself and Phil are making your point without name calling or making derogatory remarks about Dale Allitt so fair play. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think he comes across as a fan who stepped into the breach so Buster has more time to play on his tractor, can't imagine he commands much respect from the riders, maybe that's why he dived in on Monday, to boost his cred in front of his riders. Then again I don't blame him for taking the manager gig, I'm sure we'd all love a go if the opportunity arose, free entry on match nights, travel costs covered and perhaps £50 a week in your bin for the troubles, sign me up. It was most definitely assault and if he'd done that to me I'd have had him charged based on the video evidence, or I would have knocked 7 shades out of him to discourage him from doing it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, foreverblue said: He doesn't seem like someone who can let things go but just gets more and more annoyed, how many times did he mention the track being different from normal? He did apologise at the time on tv so don't know why he is not playing it down like you say. I would tell Starman to go find his own thread if I were you! Nobody asked you for an opinion. Perhaps you should find another forum to go on.. Edited September 28, 2018 by Starman2006 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Gavan said: But its ok for a team manager to accept his rider getting in a fight on a night out and then the same rider being under drugs or alcohol and driving an uninsured and unregistered vehicle and being banned from driving................its what kids do. Watch the Belle Vue footage again, Simon Lambert is the issue here going up to Etheridge, which led to the mechanic getting involved so Allitt took him away up to the fence. Allitt isnt blameless but he was a manager protecting his riders , they all do it and Middlo is as bad if not worse in his backing of Darcy Really you talk junk, Middlo has NEVER got into that sort of argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, waytogo28 said: It was an assault and anywhere else could easily have had serious consequences with the police. He showed no self-control and no interest in resolving the dispute before it worsened. No man management skills. More like a bully boy. It certainly was an attack. Spot on, Alilit has no man managemernt skills whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Really you talk junk, Middlo has NEVER got into that sort of argument. Didnt say he did Managers protect their riders same as they all do. Whats worse, Allitt pushing a mechanic up to the fence or Middlo backing Darcy up for all the stuff he did off track? Im not saying Allitt was right in what he did but it was no worse than Middlo sticking up for his rider for all of his off track issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gavan said: Didnt say he did Managers protect their riders same as they all do. Whats worse, Allitt pushing a mechanic up to the fence or Middlo backing Darcy up for all the stuff he did off track? Im not saying Allitt was right in what he did but it was no worse than Middlo sticking up for his rider for all of his off track issues Thats what you was incinuating Neil has never done what Allit did. That was totally unprofessional, and nobody, can deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 28, 2018 Report Share Posted September 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gavan said: Didnt say he did Managers protect their riders same as they all do. Whats worse, Allitt pushing a mechanic up to the fence or Middlo backing Darcy up for all the stuff he did off track? Im not saying Allitt was right in what he did but it was no worse than Middlo sticking up for his rider for all of his off track issues Clearly the physical violence from Allitt is far worse. Anyone knows that. Verbally backing up one of your riders goes without saying. Can’t believe anyone would think any different. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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