Belle Vue vs Kings Lynn Playoff Semi 1st Leg 24/09/18

[Steve Shovlar]

As a neutral I can say there is absolutely no chance of Belle Vue making it through to the final. It’s called a foregone conclusion, meaning “a result that can be predicted with certainty”.

Belle Vue fought well but once the Lynn riders got dialled in to the track there was only one team in it. Even if Cook declares himself fit to ride it won’t make any difference.

I am reading some Lynn fans not wanting to count their chickens before they have hatched but really, they surely have to believe the job is done?

[ray c]

Who ever rides king's Lynn in the final if they get there of course it will be hard when you got a rider at reserve who can score 18+1 from 7 rides just an opinion 

[Speedball]

Delighted to come away with any sort of lead after the first 7 heats. It would be a collapse of the highest order if we cock this up.

Enjoyed my first trip to the NSS, great track  and facilities (had a meal in the Peter Craven Suite before the meeting). 

MPT really was the saviour last night. One of the best thing about this Stars side is that someone always steps up when the chips are down. Much more character, resilience and bottle in this side compared to last season.

Don’t think we’ve had a meeting when all 7 have really clicked at the same time yet. Would be good if that happened a couple of times over the next month.

Also nice to go to a meeting with a bit of an atmosphere though a few peaked to soon with the “easy easy” chants early on.

Plenty of stick for Lambert which he answered in perfect style in 13 & 15. All good fun though.

Roll on Monday!

[Steve Shovlar]

Coventry won it in 2010 by the same way with Shamek smashing in similar scores.

[Bagpuss]

Just because MPT scored a hatful last night doesn’t mean he would necessarily do the same at Somerset or Poole.

[Gavan]

19 minutes ago, ray c said:

Who ever rides king's Lynn in the final if they get there of course it will be hard when you got a rider at reserve who can score 18+1 from 7 rides just an opinion 

But if Poole get there PalmToft got 4 at Poole , while Poole reserves racked up 18 and were only beaten by Lambert and Iversen once.

Pooles reserves are stronger than Kings Lynns whichever way you look at it

[Daniel Smith]

4 minutes ago, Gavan said:

But if Poole get there PalmToft got 4 at Poole , while Poole reserves racked up 18 and were only beaten by Lambert and Iversen once.

Pooles reserves are stronger than Kings Lynns whichever way you look at it

Correct 

[Odds On]

brave man to back against this Lynn team over two legs.

[g13webb]

7 minutes ago, Gavan said:

But if Poole get there PalmToft got 4 at Poole , while Poole reserves racked up 18 and were only beaten by Lambert and Iversen once.

Pooles reserves are stronger than Kings Lynns whichever way you look at it

 You have to forget that meeting  and the more recent  one at AFA.   Them  meetings  mean nothing  to what can be expected if these  two teams meet in the final.    You can rest assured   both teams will be applying more ability and desire to win a  play-off final.     No doubt both teams will be giving it their all and whoever wins will be after a closely fought encounter  separated by only a few points.          Them who think it will be anything else  are kidding themselves...….    

[paulboy]

46 minutes ago, Odds On said:

what a cracking team Kings Lynn have, very strong and entertaining.

Palm Toft just looked class all night.

R Lambert just oozes class and sublime in heats 13 and 15.

Kings Lynns team manger should be applauded for trying to keep people apart.

Belle Vue's track should be on the GP calendar, easily the best track in terms of racing and excitement in the UK.

Interesting how we see things different ways, I thought the team manager got involved where he shouldn't have done & inflamed the situation, which had pretty well calmed down anyway!

[Gavan]

15 minutes ago, g13webb said:

 You have to forget that meeting  and the more recent  one at AFA.   Them  meetings  mean nothing  to what can be expected if these  two teams meet in the final.    You can rest assured   both teams will be applying more ability and desire to win a  play-off final.     No doubt both teams will be giving it their all and whoever wins will be after a closely fought encounter  separated by only a few points.          Them who think it will be anything else  are kidding themselves...….    

Ok we can forget those meetings then

When Poole went to Lynn and lost by 2 PalmToft  got 5

Worrall top scored last time for Poole at Lynn as a heat leader..... he is now at reserve.

Poole fans on here going overboard a bit I think.

Over the 2 meetings I would expect the Poole reserves to hugely outscore King’s Lynns. Lambert has had 10 rides at Poole and scored 1 point!

Poole and Lynn have been built differently, Poole rely on a big hitting reserve and 5 riders if similar average , while Lynn have the strong top 5.

If Pooles top two keep Lambert and NKI scores down then Poole will win 

[Rickyb]

As I didn't see the match last night I am interested to know what caused the handbag session 

[maneacat]

56 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Just because MPT scored a hatful last night doesn’t mean he would necessarily do the same at Somerset or Poole.

Agreed - or Peterborough where he only scored 7+2 Sunday evening 

[Steve Shovlar]

7 minutes ago, Rickyb said:

As I didn't see the match last night I am interested to know what caused the handbag session 

Belle vue rider being a very bad loser.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

Thing is this is speedway, anything can happen. We could suffer a couple of injuries on the night next Monday or a spate of engine problems, you just never know. Unlikely as it is that we will not now go through it’s not done til it’s done and everyone will stay calm and focussed until 91 points have been scored.

I think your just doing the usual thing we all do and not counting your chickens but in reality you have absolutely no chance of losing at home let alone by more than 8 points. Even if you lost two riders and one of them was MPT you would still lose by less than 8.

[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, maneacat said:

Agreed - or Peterborough where he only scored 7+2 Sunday evening 

He doesn't need to get a max with your team!.

[Aces51]

Last night was the result I and every Aces supporter I spoke to at the stadium expected in our weakened state. King's Lynn are a good team and worked hard for a deserved victory. I won't write off our chances yet but it is a virtual mountain to climb and plainly the odds are very much against us. The 1-5, or 1-4 for the Aces, of both teams arguably underperformed, they scored 29-27 in favour of the Aces. The difference was Palm-Toft who, not for the first time at the NSS, was brilliant. However, those who seem to think that he will ride like that in every meeting need to look at his average. He might but equally he might score 4, it's the nature of the type of rider he is but he is a pleasure to watch when he is riding as he did last night and one of those riders who never gives up. 

I was in the Grandstand so saw the incident after heat 13 from the opposite side to the TV coverage. I didn't think that Jorgensen did anything too bad, hard but fair is I think the usual description. There was a bit of arm waving and wheel sliding on the way to the pits but to me it appeared that Simon Lambert was the cause of what followed. He went up to Etheridge in what appeared to be a threatening manner and then the KL team manager went up and attacked the mechanic. Maybe things were said which caused him to react, I don't know. I can understand riders reacting in the heat of the moment but team managers have no excuse.

Some BV fans are being ridiculous and calling for wholesale team changes. They need to look at how riders have performed over the season, take account of injuries, see what the format is next year, look at individual rider averages and make considered suggestions.

It's not over yet but we have done well to get so far considering Worrall and Bewley's injuries and, last night, losing Cook. With hindsight we might have done better with a guest for Cook and r/r for Bewley but it's water under the bridge.

 

[Fromafar]

9 minutes ago, Rickyb said:

As I didn't see the match last night I am interested to know what caused the handbag session 

You would have to ask Jye because there was nothing to obvious just abit of hard but fair riding from an opponent,when you see Jye 1st bend move on Riss it was just as hard but Riss got round him.Heat of the moment stuff.Mechanics and hangers on cause most of the problems these days,they need a ban IMO 

[foreverblue]

15 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Ok we can forget those meetings then

When Poole went to Lynn and lost by 2 PalmToft  got 5

Worrall top scored last time for Poole at Lynn as a heat leader..... he is now at reserve.

Poole fans on here going overboard a bit I think.

Over the 2 meetings I would expect the Poole reserves to hugely outscore King’s Lynns. Lambert has had 10 rides at Poole and scored 1 point!

Poole and Lynn have been built differently, Poole rely on a big hitting reserve and 5 riders if similar average , while Lynn have the strong top 5.

If Pooles top two keep Lambert and NKI scores down then Poole will win 

I wouldn't expect Kings Lynn reserves to outscore Poole reserves overall as Simon Lambert is pretty rubbish at Poole but MPT is riding much better than he was and is the in form rider whereas  Worrall has been poor lately and Freddie blows hot and cold. I think if we make the final it will be very close.

[g13webb]

17 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Ok we can forget those meetings then

When Poole went to Lynn and lost by 2 PalmToft  got 5

Worrall top scored last time for Poole at Lynn as a heat leader..... he is now at reserve.

Poole fans on here going overboard a bit I think.

Over the 2 meetings I would expect the Poole reserves to hugely outscore King’s Lynns. Lambert has had 10 rides at Poole and scored 1 point!

Poole and Lynn have been built differently, Poole rely on a big hitting reserve and 5 riders if similar average , while Lynn have the strong top 5.

If Pooles top two keep Lambert and NKI scores down then Poole will win 

As a Witches fan, it must be horrible to see Lynn doing well.    In every match,  there are many Ifs and maybe's.    I am well aware if you pick out specifics score you can get a any predicted outcome,   but the facts remain, we finished top of the league, scoring 10pts more than most,  and that included scoring the most points away from home than any other.    I am well aware of other teams strengths   and weaknesses    and feel quietly confident that whoever we meet  we can give a good account of ourselves....       Win or lose.....