scottyfan Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 4 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: Welcome back to Steve S. You have been missed. Interesting news posted on POL Speedway news last night. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/778390/chris-holder-ma-zostac-w-toruniu-nowy-kontrakt-uzgodniony Torun Media site saying Chris Holder is being offered a new contract for 2019 which surprised me for one as most news filtering out on POL media was that he would be asked to move on. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel on his personal court case situ and in respect of his future in UK ???. Let's hope so as its obviously taken it's toll on the guy. Would not surprise me if he has offered to ride for less at Torun as he loves the club so much. Also with Jack riding I am sure they will travel out together and enjoy similar crew team etc. Will also maybe help Chris with his Monster sponsorship along with Jack. Will be one big load off knowing he has his main income stream sorted for 2019. If he can get a successful resolution to the legal case going on that works for all parties and get his visa situ sorted, then I think a calmer Chris with none of this hanging over him could be a shrewd signing for 2019 especially with his improving young Bro Jack. I would still like to see both in a Poole side but that is just my opinion. Get those 2 alongside Brady Kurtz/Woryna/Jackobsen. The remaining 2 to be determined by what the new league set up is - what points limit there is and also if it will be 6 men teams or 6 plus a young N/L Junior which personally would be my idea going forward. For me much as winning the league is important so is a team with plenty of youth and some experience with exciting riders developing. One would hope that Holder Jr/Kurtz/Woryna and Jackobsen are riders going forward with decent careers developing. Chris with no baggage and a sorted personal life could still be a bonus on 7.16 and would also be good to help the younger guys coming along. Much as the role that was supposed to have happened in Torun this year before the personal family issues kind of overtook events. Have heard Chris Holder now has his visa, it’s just the personal stuff to sort out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, scottyfan said: Have heard Chris Holder now has his visa, it’s just the personal stuff to sort out now. Yes the personal stuff was the more serious situation that many still don't know too much about, but it was a serious but difficult situation. Let's hope that all the Court visits and eventual ruling/s come to an ammicable agreement/arrangement that both sides can live with, so that both sides can move on and allow Chris to continue his racing career and also give him a better quality of life on a personal front. I am sure some stability and security also with his club in Poland hopefully sorted, I would hope that he can rediscover the form we know he is capable of even if he doesn't quite make it back to the very top again. On his day he still looks one of the best riders around as evidenced by some of his rides in the last GP. If his visa situ is sorted as well as his POL Club then it's now all about the conclusion of the case. Get that sorted before year end and he indeed can be more relaxed. Be interesting if Matt Ford is keeping in close contact with him and advising him where he can. He was being supportive earlier this year so let's hope so. Also noticed Matt was getting close up with Jack in a photo just before this years UK GP and if their was the alleged tension last season, then that photo sure didn't reflect it. Let's hope differences have been sorted as I feel having both Holder's at Poole and both happy would be good as no doubt both live at Chris's house near Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, scottyfan said: Have heard Chris Holder now has his visa, it’s just the personal stuff to sort out now. Not sure how that is possible without a team place in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, Steve0 said: Not sure how that is possible without a team place in the UK. Could it be he is now in the clear to get a visa - subject to signing for a team in UK ?? Am only guessing as have no idea, but even that would sound better than the no visa possibility that seemed to prevail prior to this seasons start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: Not sure how that is possible without a team place in the UK. agree with you got t o have employment i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 10 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: Welcome back to Steve S. You have been missed. Interesting news posted on POL Speedway news last night. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/778390/chris-holder-ma-zostac-w-toruniu-nowy-kontrakt-uzgodniony Torun Media site saying Chris Holder is being offered a new contract for 2019 which surprised me for one as most news filtering out on POL media was that he would be asked to move on. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel on his personal court case situ and in respect of his future in UK ???. Let's hope so as its obviously taken it's toll on the guy. Would not surprise me if he has offered to ride for less at Torun as he loves the club so much. Also with Jack riding I am sure they will travel out together and enjoy similar crew team etc. Will also maybe help Chris with his Monster sponsorship along with Jack. Will be one big load off knowing he has his main income stream sorted for 2019. If he can get a successful resolution to the legal case going on that works for all parties and get his visa situ sorted, then I think a calmer Chris with none of this hanging over him could be a shrewd signing for 2019 especially with his improving young Bro Jack. I would still like to see both in a Poole side but that is just my opinion. Get those 2 alongside Brady Kurtz/Woryna/Jackobsen. The remaining 2 to be determined by what the new league set up is - what points limit there is and also if it will be 6 men teams or 6 plus a young N/L Junior which personally would be my idea going forward. For me much as winning the league is important so is a team with plenty of youth and some experience with exciting riders developing. One would hope that Holder Jr/Kurtz/Woryna and Jackobsen are riders going forward with decent careers developing. Chris with no baggage and a sorted personal life could still be a bonus on 7.16 and would also be good to help the younger guys coming along. Much as the role that was supposed to have happened in Torun this year before the personal family issues kind of overtook events. Most of what has been going on in Holders life is of his own making. I would not waste a nano second in negotiating a contract for him to return to Poole. More of a liability than an asset. Time to move on!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Steve0 said: Not sure how that is possible without a team place in the UK. Could it be he is classed as a Poole rider as he signed a contract to ride for them this year?? Just telling you what I’ve heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 11:15 PM, Bald Bloke said: He don't look like a Cecil he dont look like a ford either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Jeesh. People on here taking the P out of someones name, when the person themselves didn’t actually have a say in the matter. So Matt didn’t like the name his parents gave him so uses his middle name. So what? My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. No big or small deal whatsoever. In fact not worthy of even mentioning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Aviator said: Most of what has been going on in Holders life is of his own making. No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. Totally agree as she would of been embarrassed and would of had to put up with a lot when people found out she was now called Mrs Shovlar ..... (only joking ) Edited September 23, 2018 by KEITH M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated. Whilst not having a lot of time for Chris holder, in this instance I have every sympathy for him, personal experience means I know exactly what it's like sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Jeesh. People on here taking the P out of someones name, when the person themselves didn’t actually have a say in the matter. So Matt didn’t like the name his parents gave him so uses his middle name. So what? My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. No big or small deal whatsoever. In fact not worthy of even mentioning. I was not taking the P.... I just said he don't look like a Cecil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I was not taking the P.... I just said he don't look like a Cecil... Who does? I don’t believe anyone looks like a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Who does? I don’t believe anyone looks like a name. Put ya rod away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Who does? I don’t believe anyone looks like a name. That is definitely an ED .... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated. Leave it there Steve, they are just fishing. They will just drag you down mate, and you are liable to say something you might later regret. Edited September 23, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator Posted September 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated. So, posting a video of himself riding a pit bike in his garden and jumping it close to his son, whilst his son looks on is the action of a responsible parent is it? Certainly not the actions of a man you would want as a good behavioural example for any child. No wonder the child’s mother is possibly denying him access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Nothing against whatever is happening in Holders personal life , he just simply isn’t right for Poole anymore ..... time for Poole to look forward not back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 11 hours ago, Aviator said: So, posting a video of himself riding a pit bike in his garden and jumping it close to his son, whilst his son looks on is the action of a responsible parent is it? Certainly not the actions of a man you would want as a good behavioural example for any child. No wonder the child’s mother is possibly denying him access. Pretty sure that's not why imo. Going by what I have heard, he could be the best father in the world and she still wouldn't let him. Some people just like to be super controlling.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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