LesR Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: There is only one way to get squad systems to work and that's by Premiership clubs having a Championship tie in. At the end of the 5 year plan when they hope to end doubling up, this is how it would work:- Belle Vue - Workington Ipswich - Glasgow King's Lynn - Scunthorpe Peterborough - Leicester Poole - Sheffield Swindon - Somerset Wolverhampton - Edinburgh As an example for Poole, if an injury happens to their No1, they'd use the highest averaged rider available from Sheffield, they'd slot in at No7 and everyone else in the team moves up a position. If there's 2 injuries, the 2 highest averaged Sheffield rider's go at No6 and No7 and everyone else in the Poole team moves up a position and so on and so on. The only time a guest can be used is if there are to many injuries to the Championship club. Then a guest can be sort from other clubs that are not tied into a Premiership club. For me, it's the only way of getting squad systems to work and also be viable to rider's too. This is similar to the 70's when first division clubs had tie ups with second division clubs. For instance Exeter had Canterbury and Steve Koppe, Les Rumsey and Bob Spelta were numbers 8,9 and 10. Any absences or injuries to second strings and reserves were covered by these riders. I think it was guest or r/r for heat leaders. Seemed to work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 18 hours ago, A ORLOV said: But it seems most riders in Poland get a signing on fee at the start of their contract, which quite often is each year, so they get money if in the squad even if they do not ride. I cannot see that working with our tight Promoters. 9 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: All riders get a signing on fee. But only around 2k I imagine If you went to squad systems here then yes riders would want signing on fees but most would want a guarantee of how many meetings there are assured of having too so they wouldn't be there just for injuries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: If you went to squad systems here then yes riders would want signing on fees but most would want a guarantee of how many meetings there are assured of having too so they wouldn't be there just for injuries Which unless payments are confirmed by sponsors I cannot see a squad system being affordable or working apart from the odd top rider from Poland or Denmark who wants and is willing to share a place for x number of meetings, but then he might want to be free to chose to ride for other clubs when not being used. I think I recall that Matt was sounding out the idea of a squad system with Chris Holder and Darcy Ward sharing the number one position at Poole a couple few years ago. Edited November 19, 2018 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersub Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 How about for 2019 Morris 6.91 Woryna 6.30 Kurtz 6.75 Klindt 6.61 Harris 6.91 (2.5% reduction) Jacobson 5.04 Nielson 3.58 (2.5% reduction) 42.10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, A ORLOV said: Many in Poland get a lot more than that for signing. Yeah. I meant just here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Supersub said: How about for 2019 Morris 6.91 Woryna 6.30 Kurtz 6.75 Klindt 6.61 Harris 6.91 (2.5% reduction) Jacobson 5.04 Nielson 3.58 (2.5% reduction) 42.10 If we are gonna go similar to last year, than yes. But I'd rather have a stronger no1 if poss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Yeah. I meant just here. Ah ok, but still not a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersub Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: If we are gonna go similar to last year, than yes. But I'd rather have a stronger no1 if poss. Problem is Lisa the only out & out No 1's , IMO, are Doyle & Lambert and I doubt either will come to Poole. Otherewise, although IMO, not out & out No 1's : Fricke & Cook, unlikely to leave BV, Hans, probably too old, Batch a bit inconsistent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Supersub said: Problem is Lisa the only out & out No 1's , IMO, are Doyle & Lambert and I doubt either will come to Poole. Otherewise, although IMO, not out & out No 1's : Fricke & Cook, unlikely to leave BV, Hans, probably too old, Batch a bit inconsistent Chris holder is a number one im sure in Matt's thought Edited November 19, 2018 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Harris Kurtz Klindt Morris T. Kurtz J. Holder Nielsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersub Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, ray c said: Chris holder is a number one im su Still not sure if he has been cleared to ride in this country.If he is, I presume he would like to ride with Jack and will Poole want Jack back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, ray c said: Chris holder is a number one im su I dont believe he would be anymore , at least not a top notcher Fricke, Cook, Lambert, Iversen, Andersen, Doyle, J Holder, Batchelor and even Masters i believe would all average more than Holder. In reality only Doyle are Lambert are ahead of the rest Im not saying he wont do a decent job but id expect only a 7.50 average from him Edited November 19, 2018 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, Supersub said: Problem is Lisa the only out & out No 1's , IMO, are Doyle & Lambert and I doubt either will come to Poole. Otherewise, although IMO, not out & out No 1's : Fricke & Cook, unlikely to leave BV, Hans, probably too old, Batch a bit inconsistent Could always ask PD, see if he's still interested, seeing as he nearly came to Poole last season before they brought the one over 8 rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersub Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Could always ask PD, see if he's still interested, seeing as he nearly came to Poole last season before they brought the one over 8 rule. Not sure if Poles are the answer & do we want a GP rider with Thurs night racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Supersub said: Not sure if Poles are the answer & do we want a GP rider with Thurs night racing? Why not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Supersub said: Not sure if Poles are the answer & do we want a GP rider with Thurs night racing? Thursday night is our night don't affect grand prix Edited November 19, 2018 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, ray c said: Thursday night is our night don't affect grand prix Some riders like flying out on Thursday and may not want the hassle of a UK meeting first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Some riders like flying out on Thursday and may not want the hassle of a UK meeting first! yes that was before fixed race nights don't think it would be an issue doyle may be the only gp rider here anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, ray c said: yes that was before fixed race nights don't think it would be an issue doyle may be the only gp rider here anyway ? Do you ever go to bed or come off here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Do you ever go to bed or come off here ? Why dont you mind your own business and slag somebody else off in which you are very good at .that is why your probably the most disliked person on the forum have a nice day !!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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