Arthur54 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 12:49 PM, The Weasel said: Tell you what would lower the wage bill.....if the Poole 'Penny Pinching' Pirates had put up more of a fight at the new Abbey. Expand Bet the wage bill was high last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:53 PM, Steve0 said: Not someone I would have signed but he will either be a hero (like Harris last year) or a dud (like T Lahti) but probably the best available around with the potential to be better than his average suggests. We will see... Expand Glad your not a promoter then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:53 PM, Steve0 said: Not someone I would have signed but he will either be a hero (like Harris last year) or a dud (like T Lahti) but probably the best available around with the potential to be better than his average suggests. We will see... Expand Spot on i would suggest I was hopeful Josh would be fit for Thursday as im sure THJ wont get as much as r/r for Worall would have done at Foxhall On 8/27/2019 at 2:06 PM, Starman2006 said: Glad your not a promoter then Expand Very strange response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:59 PM, Arthur54 said: Bet the wage bill was high last night Expand That score would have been the very last thing the Swindon promotion wanted or needed. A crippler for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:32 PM, 89buttons said: Agree, and incidentally Ljung is older than both Lindgren and Lindbäck, and hasn’t been as successful as an individual in gps etc. Expand Yes true, Ljung seems to be able to pull out decent races at World level without ever really looking like a world class rider. And yes fair point he around before both named Swedes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:53 PM, Steve0 said: Not someone I would have signed but he will either be a hero (like Harris last year) or a dud (like T Lahti) but probably the best available around with the potential to be better than his average suggests. We will see... Expand lahti ok for us when he came in. in a difficult season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 2:33 PM, Steve Shovlar said: That score would have been the very last thing the Swindon promotion wanted or needed. A crippler for them. Expand All we need is a bit of the Poole supporting mentality, you know, when the 4k Play Off supporting 'Santas' turn up for their annual visit for the Home Leg of the PO Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 1:23 PM, stevebrum said: The likes of Nilsson, Berntzon, Thorssell have also all represented their country in GPs and WTC since 2014 and Thorssell is current Swedish Champion. All are achieving better in Sweden these days so are comfortably ahead of him these days. The Swedes haven’t produced anyone of suitable class on the big stage since Lindgren and Lindback, with only Ljung a possible candidate. Sweden are in a worse state than GB for producing the next generation. Expand Ljung is 3 years older than Lindgren & Lindback! Nilsson & Berntzon represented Sweden in the Speedway World Cup of 2014 when they failed to make the final. Hardly a CV enhancing performance that. I can't think that Thorsell has represented Sweden at any Speedway World Cup. I'm certain if you look back at Elitserien & Ekstraliga stats for Jonasson he compares well to Thorsell, Berntzon & Nilsson over the course of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 2:54 PM, Col said: Ljung is 3 years older than Lindgren & Lindback! Nilsson & Berntzon represented Sweden in the Speedway World Cup of 2014 when they failed to make the final. Hardly a CV enhancing performance that. I can't think that Thorsell has represented Sweden at any Speedway World Cup. I'm certain if you look back at Elitserien & Ekstraliga stats for Jonasson he compares well to Thorsell, Berntzon & Nilsson over the course of his career. Expand Already stated that Ljung is older. We aren’t ‘looking over his career’ we are looking at what he has to offer now. I think we can all agree that Sweden haven’t produced any World class riders since Freddie and Antonio, which I think was the point we were discussing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 2:51 PM, The Weasel said: All we need is a bit of the Poole supporting mentality, you know, when the 4k Play Off supporting 'Santas' turn up for their annual visit for the Home Leg of the PO Final. Expand Happens at every track! Rosco was complaining about Swindon's crowd level a couple of weeks ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 3:05 PM, stevebrum said: Already stated that Ljung is older. We aren’t ‘looking over his career’ we are looking at what he has to offer now. I think we can all agree that Sweden haven’t produced any World class riders since Freddie and Antonio, which I think was the point we were discussing. Expand I think Andreas Jonsson would likely disagree!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 6:04 PM, Skidder1 said: I think Andreas Jonsson would likely disagree!!? Expand I think you will find AJ was around before Freddie and Antonio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 6:08 PM, Tim G said: I think you will find AJ was around before Freddie and Antonio. Expand I think you are right - but he was still being 'world class' well after Freddie and Antonio hit the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 6:14 PM, Skidder1 said: I think you are right - but he was still being 'world class' well after Freddie and Antonio hit the scene. Expand Yes but the discussion is which riders has Sweden produced post Freddie and Antonio and not pre Freddie and Antonio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Chrikey, we are scraping the barrel here. Mikael Max was a GP rider when Lindback & Lindgren started riding in the UK. Lindgren & Lindback were both born in 1985 I think. Is there a Swedish rider born 86 or later who has had a better career than Jonasson? I don't believe so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 6:04 PM, Skidder1 said: I think Andreas Jonsson would likely disagree!!? Expand We are talking of world class riders since Fred and Tonio. We all know PK, AJ, even Mikael Max were still considered class whilst those boys were around. THJ I don’t think has ever been classed as world class, if so it’s false labelling. On 8/27/2019 at 6:52 PM, Col said: Chrikey, we are scraping the barrel here. Mikael Max was a GP rider when Lindback & Lindgren started riding in the UK. Lindgren & Lindback were both born in 1985 I think. Is there a Swedish rider born 86 or later who has had a better career than Jonasson? I don't believe so. Expand THJ has ridden several seasons now in reserve, I don’t even think he rides in Poland anymore. Best of a bad bunch of the rest?? Maybe, maybe not. Berntzon has gone under the radar a lot, and wish he had come to Wolves when it looked possible 3 or 4 seasons ago. Berntzon is holding down a 1st team place in Sweden and rides in Poland too. I don’t think there is much in it personally. THJ has never reached World stage status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I don't care what you call him as long as he scores lots of points!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Poole have had many highly acclaimed next big things according to forum posters. Let's hope THJ is better than Karol Baran. It'll make the playoffs more interesting, else Swindon will win in second gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 2:51 PM, The Weasel said: All we need is a bit of the Poole supporting mentality, you know, when the 4k Play Off supporting 'Santas' turn up for their annual visit for the Home Leg of the PO Final. Expand Apart from 2017 PO semi final when they shot the final of One Man and His Dog at Wimborne Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 7:50 PM, stevebrum said: We are talking of world class riders since Fred and Tonio. We all know PK, AJ, even Mikael Max were still considered class whilst those boys were around. THJ I don’t think has ever been classed as world class, if so it’s false labelling. THJ has ridden several seasons now in reserve, I don’t even think he rides in Poland anymore. Best of a bad bunch of the rest?? Maybe, maybe not. Berntzon has gone under the radar a lot, and wish he had come to Wolves when it looked possible 3 or 4 seasons ago. Berntzon is holding down a 1st team place in Sweden and rides in Poland too. I don’t think there is much in it personally. THJ has never reached World stage status. Expand THJ in his peak performed a lot better than anything Berntzon or Nilsson etc has managed in Poland and Sweden. even if you look at his GP results from 2015 - he may not of made a semi final but had plenty of 6 and 7’s which isnt too bad, and beat plenty of top riders along the way. so what Col is saying is right - since Lindgren and Lindback , THJ is the best that Sweden have produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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