dj350z Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Skidder1 said: I thought we were supposedly vulnerable in heats 13 and 15 in 2018 - yet not only did we make the play-offs but we won the Premiership trophy too. Rule change for 2019 - there will be no heats 13 and 15! Cost cutting exercise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Booey boy said: Come on you only won the league because of injurys to other teams teams not because of changes but that's how it goes sometimes I know that im not blue tint like some on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: I would not hold to much bearing on the Aussie form, apart from Fricke who should win it the rest can all beat each other on any given day.For most of the Aussies it is a working break, they will do there best and the racing is good for there conditioning and race fitness but it is is not really life or death then they are all ready to rumble again in Europe. Although isnt there qualifying places up for grabs for the gp qualifiers hence Chris Holder is riding. Looks like the track isnt great in this current round with inside gates favourite Kurtz going a bit better but Holder being left behind by Fricke and Tungate in the run for gold. Yet again Lidsey impressing beating Holder and Kurtz what a steal he could turn out to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Gavan said: Although isnt there qualifying places up for grabs for the gp qualifiers hence Chris Holder is riding. Looks like the track isnt great in this current round with inside gates favourite Kurtz going a bit better but Holder being left behind by Fricke and Tungate in the run for gold. Yet again Lidsey impressing beating Holder and Kurtz what a steal he could turn out to be Track looks a lovely shape outside gates look terrible though.Fricke/ Tungate look quick Kurtz again throws in one bad ride Lidsey looks terrific that year in Poland has brought him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, ray c said: Nor has matt ford Wtf?? You moan about the team not being strong enough and then you are moaning about changes?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, Booey boy said: Come on you only won the league because of injurys to other teams teams not because of changes but that's how it goes sometimes Changes got us in the playoffs though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Track looks a lovely shape outside gates look terrible though.Fricke/ Tungate look quick Kurtz again throws in one bad ride Lidsey looks terrific that year in Poland has brought him on. Nice of Jack Holder to let Chris come through in the last chance race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: I was waiting for that :-) I don't doubt that Poole has some good sponsors. However the loss of the main team sponsor and at least 2 other regular one's is a concern. Can we stop kidding ourselves Skidder. In any other season I think Matt would have snapped up both Woryna & Jakobsen. The fact remains money is tight at Poole and Matt has had to reign in expenditure for 2019. The combination of major team sponsor loss (plus the others) and no doubt trying to balance the books for a possible sale must have an effect. The facts remain we may be the only club without a Major Team Sponsor. Yes we have others but we should do. Dorset is one of the most affluent areas of the UK, and historically in the modern era of top flight speedway in UK, Poole have been the main team. Yet we have not attracted a main sponsor for 2019. I can't even think of any football club in any of the 4 main leagues in England who doesn't have a main team sponsor. The obvious question is why when it is such a rich area. You have to think that the possible departure of the most successful Promoter of the last 15 years has to have something to do with it, unless big biz locally just doesn't want to have such a major association with the sport down in Dorset. All we need now is another embarrassing announcement that the team will be in race bibs again to compound it all. It is wrong imo that a club like Poole does not have team kevlars. What message does that send the sport around Europe. Important ??? - For you maybe not, but its as much about image and looking professional . Let's hope local biz digs deep if Ford can't afford it again which wouldn't surprise me after least season and his bemoaning of the situation before a wheel is turned. If he or they don't invest in kevlars then it sends it's own message in my book. Of course Matt may be thinking of the revolving door scenario again next season after the rider changes for various reasons this. Fortunately most if not all other Prem teams and even Champ teams don't think that way when kitting out their riders. Hope I am wrong and team kevlars are purchased somehow. The decision to go with race bibs in 2018 was to reflect the 70th Anniversary - that logo was then reflected in a load of new merchandise and will be retained as part of the club design. MF has already stated that team kevlars are a possibility for 2019 and he may consider each set being sponsored by/auctioned off to individuals - subject I guess to whether there is any main team branding or if one of the existing sponsors is given more prominence. Its not as if Poole were the only team not to have team kevlars last season!! Just to be clear, money isn't tight at Poole - its just currently tighter than it has been in recent seasons and yes that is possibly also to do with MF publicly wishing to step away (which he won't do if he doesn't get a suitable buyer!). Finding a suitable buyer and having a trusted day-to-day management/promotion team in place for when he's away I would suggest is higher up his list of priorities than getting a main sponsor. (NB. Still plenty of time for both!) The club hasn't run at a loss for many seasons - despite the horrendous losses due to rain-offs at the start of last season. The 'loss' of the 2017/18 Main sponsor - Poole Volvo - was somewhat expected as it was only a 2-year deal. What has put MF on the back foot somewhat is the loss of the 2 other sponsoring companies - both of which are due to financial pressures in their respective businesses. In one case it is due to a major costly business expansion which has currently led to a withdrawal of all sponsorship - not just speedway. What annoys me somewhat are the continual jibes from so-called Poole fans - I expect it from opposition 'fans'! - when the 2019 team retains 4 of the successful 2018 team, thereby retaining some continuity, brings back a club asset and at the same time manages to do it within the 42.50 team building limit, by losing 2.5 points from the 2018 ending team - and we're still only in January - 3 months before Poole's season commences. Rant over. COYP Edited January 9, 2019 by Skidder1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: What annoys me somewhat are the continual jibes from so-called Poole fans - I expect it from opposition 'fans'! - when the 2019 team retains 4 of the successful 2018 team, thereby retaining some continuity, brings back a club asset and at the same time manages to do it within the 42.50 team building limit, by losing 2.5 points from the 2018 ending team - and we're still only in January - 3 months before Poole's season commences. Rant over. COYP That's speedway supporters Skids!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Nice of Jack Holder to let Chris come through in the last chance race Not exactly how Speedway Updates called it but at least they both beat Lidsey and Masters. Good to see Brady make the final though and in 5th place overall. Great to see 3 Poole assets in the top 5 after 4 rounds! Edited January 9, 2019 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Gavan said: Nice of Jack Holder to let Chris come through in the last chance race I think the old Chris has gone now on the decline he will still ride at a good level though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: The decision to go with race bibs in 2018 was to reflect the 70th Anniversary - that logo was then reflected in a load of new merchandise and will be retained as part of the club design. MF has already stated that team kevlars are a possibility for 2019 and he may consider each set being sponsored by/auctioned off to individuals - subject I guess to whether there is any main team branding or if one of the existing sponsors is given more prominence. Its not as if Poole were the only team not to have team kevlars last season!! Just to be clear, money isn't tight at Poole - its just currently tighter than it has been in recent seasons and yes that is possibly also to do with MF publicly wishing to step away (which he won't do if he doesn't get a suitable buyer!). Finding a suitable buyer and having a trusted day-to-day management/promotion team in place for when he's away I would suggest is higher up his list of priorities than getting a main sponsor. (NB. Still plenty of time for both!) The club hasn't run at a loss for many seasons - despite the horrendous losses due to rain-offs at the start of last season. The 'loss' of the 2017/18 Main sponsor - Poole Volvo - was somewhat expected as it was only a 2-year deal. What has put MF on the back foot somewhat is the loss of the 2 other sponsoring companies - both of which are due to financial pressures in their respective businesses. In one case it is due to a major costly business expansion which has currently led to a withdrawal of all sponsorship - not just speedway. What annoys me somewhat are the continual jibes from so-called Poole fans - I expect it from opposition 'fans'! - when the 2019 team retains 4 of the successful 2018 team, thereby retaining some continuity, brings back a club asset and at the same time manages to do it within the 42.50 team building limit, by losing 2.5 points from the 2018 ending team - and we're still only in January - 3 months before Poole's season commences. Rant over. COYP Good feedback Skidder and thanks for your imput. Our exchange is what the Forum is all about. Sensible and intelligent debate on the various aspects of our club currently. I know you are both a loyal and enthusiastic supporter as well as a sponsor. Long may people like you be involved in our sport. You are correct in your last paragraph. Matt was faced with a 2 fold issue for 2019. One being having to lose I think it was 2.64 points and secondly having to look at cost as we know that while in a perfect World we want the best up and coming Worlds riders we also have to look at the costs associated with flying them in each week and all the associated expenses at the clubs cost. Something I assume we do not have to do with riders based here such as Holder Jr & Kurtz. You can never please everyone on the team selection with the situation we have on points limit and costs. However yes Matt has done well to put together a side which I personally think will be competitive and thankfully for once we do not have people saying we will win the league/wipe the floor with the opposition. Think I would prefer we go in without too much expectation other than holding our own and then let's see how the season develops. On a slightly negative I see yet again Brady blew an A final by coming last. For some reason both last season and this he seems incapable of putting it together when it matters and also as far as Aussie is concerned in the last 2 seasons he seems incapable of beating Tungate on Aussie tracks unless Tungate falls or gets excluded. He really needs to sort out this big race choking he seems to have. Okay I will grant the fact that on this track it was suited to the inside gaters but both Fricke (almost 99% now Aussie Champ) and Tungate made sure they won most of the qualifiers to bag those gates. I won't read too much into Aussie form but it does seem a repetitive problem with Brady. Hopefully though both him and Jack Holder will qualify for the SGP qualifiers although have no idea how many qualify from the final scorers over the 5 meetings. Maybe someone knows ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 50 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I think the old Chris has gone now on the decline he will still ride at a good level though. I couldn't disagree more. Chris is hungry again and with much progress with many of his off-track issues, he can now focus on his speedway again. Just need the UK visa situ to be finally and fully sorted and we'll see him back racing at the top in the Premiership again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Wtf?? You moan about the team not being strong enough and then you are moaning about changes?? Why dont you surprise your self and write something construtive for a change Edited January 9, 2019 by ray c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I couldn't disagree more. Chris is hungry again and with much progress with many of his off-track issues, he can now focus on his speedway again. Just need the UK visa situ to be finally and fully sorted and we'll see him back racing at the top in the Premiership again. In the watered down PL maybe but his World Championship days are finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Not exactly how Speedway Updates called it but at least they both beat Lidsey and Masters. Good to see Brady make the final though and in 5th place overall. Great to see 3 Poole assets in the top 5 after 4 rounds! I watched it live Jack gated, looked round at the end of lap one and then the next turn drifted wide and his brother come under him and Jack made no attempt to defend. Not saying he should or shouldnt have done it but it was obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: In the watered down PL maybe but his World Championship days are finished. Chris Holder isnt a realistic contender on a world stage anymore but has had a great career. The Holder of 3-4 years ago would destroy this field..fact is his younger brother is better now along with the like of Fricke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Gavan said: Chris Holder isnt a realistic contender on a world stage anymore but has had a great career. The Holder of 3-4 years ago would destroy this field..fact is his younger brother is better now along with the like of Fricke Jack Holder is no way better than Chris at the moment- maybe will be but not at present. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 quite agree chris is still better than jack and max people seem to forget is private life as been topsy turvy for the last couple years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Gavan said: I watched it live Jack gated, looked round at the end of lap one and then the next turn drifted wide and his brother come under him and Jack made no attempt to defend. Not saying he should or shouldnt have done it but it was obvious Reading the SGB meeting report could explain it. According to that the 3 top riders over the 5 meetings automatically qualify for the SGP qualifying Semi Finals. Jack was already 12/14 points plus back so knew no chance of overtaking Chris for that last qualifying place. Maybe Jack did big brother a small favor in cementing that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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