Poole 2019

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27 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

I think Matt  Ford will consider his team carefully.

Let's not  escape the fact that Poole team only won 2 matches away all season - both at Leicester the bottom team who won't be there this year. Shame as think its Klindt's favourite track ;-)

I think  strength in depth will again be important, as we saw with all 3 leagues finishing top wins you nothing (a shame but its a reality as this is the way its set up).

I am sold on Chris Holder (or Nick Morris) - Jack Holder - B.Kurtz - Woryna - Jakobsen - Klindt - Shanes (with his 2.5% reduction) and its creeps withing the 42.5 (assuming Chris keeps his 7.15/16). Last season proved that its about winning your home matches and getting important away points by staying within 6 points. It would be a team of combined youth and experience.

An not convinced about Josh G and have a feeling he has reached his limit and will still be trying hard to establish himself in his adopted home nation Poland having changed teams after failures of 2018. Can see him maybe going back into Champ, although having POL Sunday may mess that up. He was better when doubling up even if an exhausting schedule. I feel there have to be some changes as we were a bit fortunate this year.

Plenty of scope for improvement in the younger riders with stability from Klindt and Holder. Also have 3 possible strong reserves maybe alternating i.e Jakobsen/Klindt and maybe Woryna sharing that berth at times with Shanes.

Of course I could be way off the mark and Matt may have other ideas :-)

Josh g can't ride championship as he's Polish 

[sommelier]

17 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Jack Holder and BWD were having “a slight disagreement” with each other and Gary had to sort it out by threatening to sack both.

Wherever you got that information from, but its spot on

[Arthur54]

3 hours ago, Gavan said:

No team spirit is important.

Just cant see why Poole would want Harris back apart from the morale he brings to other riders................it wont be for his scoring and he pretty much went missing in the play off finals didnt even win a race over the two legs

I get what he brings to a team but surely Poole should look forward not backwards

He is certainly worth consideration, he certainly kick started Pooles season 

[STEVEHOLS54]

3 hours ago, ray c said:

I'm sorry to say if I was james I would be looking else where next season after he was the scapegoat for under performing riders last time around if he had been an aussie he may have keep his place just my opinion 

Just a thought. I partly mention James because he also has a low enough GSA with the reduction to slot in IF Matt's team idea's were along the lines I mentioned.

Looking at the final GSA's there is next to nobody in Premier GSA's that would fit or be ideal imo. Having said that there isn't much to set the pulse racing in the Champ either. HOWEVER I notice one young Aussie that may be of interest to put in the reserve berth and let him also double up and that's Jordan Stewart. Will be 20 in about 10 days and had his first season this year in UK with Redcar. Has a 4.09 GSA converted down at 1.5 would come in on a 3 point av. He is a young Aussie and we all know Poole's love affair with these guys and I am sure they would supply him accommodation like most/all other young Aussies they have had ride for the club.

Stewart just finished runner up to Jaimon Lydsey in the Victoria Speedway Champ in Aussie and both therefore qualified for a UK Working Visa for 2019. Lydsey maybe another possibility (may also better option) as EXL Champs Leszno have also signed him as one for the future but will probably  be loaned out to lower league maybe for more experience ??? Only 19 he raced in POL Lge 2 this season and was 10th in riders League av. Would he qualify on a low av like Stewart being same age and if anything at a disadvantage to Stewart having NOT ridden UK.

Also as Ray says - Being Aussies they would probably be given longer ??

As said just a thought and one has to remember that Shanes first love is arguably Grass Track/Long Track and he may be happy to combine Champ with N/L but I'm just guessing on that score. Do the younger Aussies offer more potential as actual speedway riders than Shanes who will be 22 come season start so 2 years older. Still only young I know but these young Aussies who make the effort to come all the way across the World when so young to develop as Speedway riders do have a habit of pushing on even if not all actual World beaters.

Luke Becker the young American is another option but would he get a low GSA or would they set him too high to fit in the rest of the team ???

Plenty of food for thought.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Unless the regs have changed Stewart as a non brit would be on a min 4 average

[STEVEHOLS54]

8 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Unless the regs have changed Stewart as a non brit would be on a min 4 average

Hmmm

Then arguably maybe Becker/Lydsey could be better options but again would mean Matt having to jiggery poke further up the team.

[ray c]

50 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Just a thought. I partly mention James because he also has a low enough GSA with the reduction to slot in IF Matt's team idea's were along the lines I mentioned.

Looking at the final GSA's there is next to nobody in Premier GSA's that would fit or be ideal imo. Having said that there isn't much to set the pulse racing in the Champ either. HOWEVER I notice one young Aussie that may be of interest to put in the reserve berth and let him also double up and that's Jordan Stewart. Will be 20 in about 10 days and had his first season this year in UK with Redcar. Has a 4.09 GSA converted down at 1.5 would come in on a 3 point av. He is a young Aussie and we all know Poole's love affair with these guys and I am sure they would supply him accommodation like most/all other young Aussies they have had ride for the club.

Stewart just finished runner up to Jaimon Lydsey in the Victoria Speedway Champ in Aussie and both therefore qualified for a UK Working Visa for 2019. Lydsey maybe another possibility (may also better option) as EXL Champs Leszno have also signed him as one for the future but will probably  be loaned out to lower league maybe for more experience ??? Only 19 he raced in POL Lge 2 this season and was 10th in riders League av. Would he qualify on a low av like Stewart being same age and if anything at a disadvantage to Stewart having NOT ridden UK.

Also as Ray says - Being Aussies they would probably be given longer ??

As said just a thought and one has to remember that Shanes first love is arguably Grass Track/Long Track and he may be happy to combine Champ with N/L but I'm just guessing on that score. Do the younger Aussies offer more potential as actual speedway riders than Shanes who will be 22 come season start so 2 years older. Still only young I know but these young Aussies who make the effort to come all the way across the World when so young to develop as Speedway riders do have a habit of pushing on even if not all actual World beaters.

Luke Becker the young American is another option but would he get a low GSA or would they set him too high to fit in the rest of the team ???

Plenty of food for thought.

Ye James first love is gras and long track but he did improve immensely racing speedway last season and I would love to see him back at Poole . But I do think he may think twice before accepting a offer from matt

[LisaColette]

14 hours ago, ray c said:

Ye James first love is gras and long track but he did improve immensely racing speedway last season and I would love to see him back at Poole . But I do think he may think twice before accepting a offer from matt

Guess it depends who else is interested as he has already had interest from a few clubs. 

[SteveLyric2]

In the final instance it'll come down to a numbers game plus whoever MF believes will increase their averages.

As for Shanesie, whilst disappointed to be dropped last season, he was expecting it and is still on very good terms with his local club, Poole.

[ray c]

47 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

In the final instance it'll come down to a numbers game plus whoever MF believes will increase their averages.

As for Shanesie, whilst disappointed to be dropped last season, he was expecting it and is still on very good terms with his local club, Poole.

Loyalty is a far nicer word than numbers game !!!

[Gavan]

2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

In the final instance it'll come down to a numbers game plus whoever MF believes will increase their averages.

As for Shanesie, whilst disappointed to be dropped last season, he was expecting it and is still on very good terms with his local club, Poole.

Thats why i believe there will be no place for Harris

1 hour ago, ray c said:

Loyalty is a far nicer word than numbers game !!!

Loyalty is long gone in speedway, promoters move riders on no matter what these days. Felt sorry for Shanes was doing his job and lost his because other riders werent doing theirs.

It can be said Poole have made changes which enabled them to win the league but they used 13 riders to get there which is just absurd irrelevant of the reasoning.

I would like to see no more than 2 changes a season, unless a rider had a season ending injury.

And before im accused of Poole bashing, our own Connor Mountain was sacrificed as well when doing his job so its the same at all clubs

Edited November 18, 2018 by Gavan

[poolebolton]

31 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Thats why i believe there will be no place for Harris

Loyalty is long gone in speedway, promoters move riders on no matter what these days. Felt sorry for Shanes was doing his job and lost his because other riders werent doing theirs.

It can be said Poole have made changes which enabled them to win the league but they used 13 riders to get there which is just absurd irrelevant of the reasoning.

I would like to see no more than 2 changes a season, unless a rider had a season ending injury.

And before im accused of Poole bashing, our own Connor Mountain was sacrificed as well when doing his job so its the same at all clubs

Need squads. 13 I would agree Is a lot of riders. But you look in Poland and Sweden and the squads are about 10-15 riders.

Have squads and well who would not have to worry about it to the same extent. 

[ray c]

29 minutes ago, poolebolton said:

Need squads. 13 I would agree Is a lot of riders. But you look in Poland and Sweden and the squads are about 10-15 riders.

Have squads and well who would not have to worry about it to the same extent. 

So does a rider who not in the team double up ?or does he not earn any money. ?

Edited November 18, 2018 by ray c

[poolebolton]

6 minutes ago, ray c said:

So does a rider who not in the team double up ?or does he not earn any money. ?

That’s what happens in Poland. Can’t do much about it. But now with fixed race days should be better! 

[A ORLOV]

5 minutes ago, poolebolton said:

That’s what happens in Poland. Can’t do much about it. But now with fixed race days should be better! 

But it seems most riders in Poland get a signing on fee at the start of their contract, which quite often is each year, so they get money if in the squad even if they do not ride.  I cannot see that working with our tight Promoters.

[Starman2006]

3 hours ago, A ORLOV said:

But it seems most riders in Poland get a signing on fee at the start of their contract, which quite often is each year, so they get money if in the squad even if they do not ride.  I cannot see that working with our tight Promoters.

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[Phil The Ace]

9 hours ago, A ORLOV said:

But it seems most riders in Poland get a signing on fee at the start of their contract, which quite often is each year, so they get money if in the squad even if they do not ride.  I cannot see that working with our tight Promoters.

All riders get a signing on fee. But only around 2k I imagine 

[Daniel Smith]

There is only one way to get squad systems to work and that's by Premiership clubs having a Championship tie in. At the end of the 5 year plan when they hope to end doubling up, this is how it would work:-

Belle Vue - Workington

Ipswich - Glasgow

King's Lynn - Scunthorpe

Peterborough - Leicester

Poole - Sheffield

Swindon - Somerset

Wolverhampton - Edinburgh

As an example for Poole, if an injury happens to their No1, they'd use the highest averaged rider available from Sheffield, they'd slot in at No7 and everyone else in the team moves up a position. If there's 2 injuries, the 2 highest averaged Sheffield rider's go at No6 and No7 and everyone else in the Poole team moves up a position and so on and so on. The only time a guest can be used is if there are to many injuries to the Championship club. Then a guest can be sort from other clubs that are not tied into a Premiership club.

For me, it's the only way of getting squad systems to work and also be viable to rider's too.

[ray c]

5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

There is only one way to get squad systems to work and that's by Premiership clubs having a Championship tie in. At the end of the 5 year plan when they hope to end doubling up, this is how it would work:-

Belle Vue - Workington

Ipswich - Glasgow

King's Lynn - Scunthorpe

Peterborough - Leicester

Poole - Sheffield

Swindon - Somerset

Wolverhampton - Edinburgh

As an example for Poole, if an injury happens to their No1, they'd use the highest averaged rider available from Sheffield, they'd slot in at No7 and everyone else in the team moves up a position. If there's 2 injuries, the 2 highest averaged Sheffield rider's go at No6 and No7 and everyone else in the Poole team moves up a position and so on and so on. The only time a guest can be used is if there are to many injuries to the Championship club. Then a guest can be sort from other clubs that are not tied into a Premiership club.

For me, it's the only way of getting squad systems to work and also be viable to rider's too.

I like that idea 

[A ORLOV]

8 hours ago, Phil The Ace said:

All riders get a signing on fee. But only around 2k I imagine 

Many in Poland get a lot more than that for signing.