Starman2006 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Harris isn't a Poole asset so Poole will not necessarily have first choice!!! According to several at Somerset, Jack has 'matured' somewhat - certainly his racing has, so hopefully has his attitude. Gary May has not had a single problem with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Pirates Of Poole said: I would be very surprised if Jack wasn’t included in the 2019 team, my only concern his 7.35 average I likely to make him number 1, we would then require a Chris Holder 7.16 or similar rider in the team to take the number 1 strain after the first set of averages. Also worth mentioning the Bonus points not included in the GSA's. In 24 matches in 2018 Jack scored 25 bonus points which was more than any Somerset rider. Only 3 riders Prem riders matched or better in 2018 in total. One of those was Woryna who matched 25. After what happened with Brady in 2018 I am always wary of how things will go. Similar to Morris who dropped way off compared to 2017 (like Brady and Nick both fell in similar terms). But what you can't dismiss is that all 3 of those riders have potential and come season start Jack at 23 - Nick at 24 and Brady at 22 all have the potential to push on. I would happily have all 3 as feel all of them will improve even if one maybe doesnt increase at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: Also worth mentioning the Bonus points not included in the GSA's. In 24 matches in 2018 Jack scored 25 bonus points which was more than any Somerset rider. Only 3 riders Prem riders matched or better in 2018 in total. One of those was Woryna who matched 25. After what happened with Brady in 2018 I am always wary of how things will go. Similar to Morris who dropped way off compared to 2017 (like Brady and Nick both fell in similar terms). But what you can't dismiss is that all 3 of those riders have potential and come season start Jack at 23 - Nick at 24 and Brady at 22 all have the potential to push on. I would happily have all 3 as feel all of them will improve even if one maybe doesnt increase at all. Before anyone says yes but he had Doyle in the team. Yes he did but as we all know Doyle doesn't normally team ride being very much a self interest rider. You have to still beat the 2 opposition riders and if you have a team mate mainly interested in only gate and go then you still have to do the work to get a BP. Arguably even more with Doyle in your team ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Gary May has not had a single problem with him. Does that mean that gary may got a better relationship with his riders ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, ray c said: Does that mean that gary may got a better relationship with his riders ? A year older, a year wiser maybe. Can only see Jack improving again next year, would love him back at the Showground ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Gary May has not had a single problem with him. Not true at all. May had to threaten him with the sack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Jack Holder a far better option than Chris Harris for Poole surely. Harris has the odd good race here and there like beating Doyle, he is a crowd pleaser and probably good for team moral, but he is only going one way and that is down and Jack Holder going the other way. I would imagine Poole will go with Kurtz Jack Holder Klindt Jacobsen Then fill in the gaps, possibly Woryna but he showed last season that unless he was at reserve he didnt do that well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: It is up to Harris where he rides, it is his choice. I don't think he is an asset of any club. Jack is a terrific rider but I am not convinced he has matured enough yet. Peterborough asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Not true at all. May had to threaten him with the sack. Not what he told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Starman2006 said: Not what he told me. Prob doesn't want it broadcast on the forum! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Jack Holder a far better option than Chris Harris for Poole surely. Harris has the odd good race here and there like beating Doyle, he is a crowd pleaser and probably good for team moral, but he is only going one way and that is down and Jack Holder going the other way. I would imagine Poole will go with Kurtz Jack Holder Klindt Jacobsen Then fill in the gaps, possibly Woryna but he showed last season that unless he was at reserve he didnt do that well. I think Matt will find it very hard to leave Chris out after last season, but as ive said before even Chris will freely admit he is not a No 1 but he is captain matierial definately.. All your said riders have the abillity to improve again.. Edited November 16, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Jack Holder a far better option than Chris Harris for Poole surely. Harris has the odd good race here and there like beating Doyle, he is a crowd pleaser and probably good for team moral, but he is only going one way and that is down and Jack Holder going the other way. I would imagine Poole will go with Kurtz Jack Holder Klindt Jacobsen Then fill in the gaps, possibly Woryna but he showed last season that unless he was at reserve he didnt do that well. Think you are underestimating the importance of team spirit, but you do at least have Klindt in there, so I'll let you off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, lisa-colette said: Prob doesn't want it broadcast on the forum! Gary doesnt tell rubbish, he says it as it is. If he did give Jack a boll--cking then it would have been early days, but he's had no problem with him last season. And i would believe Gary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Jack Holder and BWD were having “a slight disagreement” with each other and Gary had to sort it out by threatening to sack both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: I think Matt will find it very hard to leave Chris out after last season, but as ive said before even Chris will freely admit he is not a No 1 but he is captain matierial definately.. All your said riders have the abillity to improve again.. why would we change josh as captain he won the league as captain last season I'm sure chris will be at poole next season that's if he rides in this country of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, ray c said: why would we change josh as captain he won the league as captain last season I'm sure chris will be at poole next season that's if he rides in this country of course They meant Harris not Holder, I think!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 50 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: They meant Harris not Holder, I think!! Ye you maybe right anyway don't think bomber will be at Poole next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 14 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Think you are underestimating the importance of team spirit, but you do at least have Klindt in there, so I'll let you off! No team spirit is important. Just cant see why Poole would want Harris back apart from the morale he brings to other riders................it wont be for his scoring and he pretty much went missing in the play off finals didnt even win a race over the two legs I get what he brings to a team but surely Poole should look forward not backwards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Gavan said: No team spirit is important. Just cant see why Poole would want Harris back apart from the morale he brings to other riders................it wont be for his scoring and he pretty much went missing in the play off finals didnt even win a race over the two legs I get what he brings to a team but surely Poole should look forward not backwards I think Matt Ford will consider his team carefully. Let's not escape the fact that Poole team only won 2 matches away all season - both at Leicester the bottom team who won't be there this year. Shame as think its Klindt's favourite track ;-) I think strength in depth will again be important, as we saw with all 3 leagues finishing top wins you nothing (a shame but its a reality as this is the way its set up). I am sold on Chris Holder (or Nick Morris) - Jack Holder - B.Kurtz - Woryna - Jakobsen - Klindt - Shanes (with his 2.5% reduction) and its creeps withing the 42.5 (assuming Chris keeps his 7.15/16). Last season proved that its about winning your home matches and getting important away points by staying within 6 points. It would be a team of combined youth and experience. An not convinced about Josh G and have a feeling he has reached his limit and will still be trying hard to establish himself in his adopted home nation Poland having changed teams after failures of 2018. Can see him maybe going back into Champ, although having POL Sunday may mess that up. He was better when doubling up even if an exhausting schedule. I feel there have to be some changes as we were a bit fortunate this year. Plenty of scope for improvement in the younger riders with stability from Klindt and Holder. Also have 3 possible strong reserves maybe alternating i.e Jakobsen/Klindt and maybe Woryna sharing that berth at times with Shanes. Of course I could be way off the mark and Matt may have other ideas :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: I think Matt Ford will consider his team carefully. Let's not escape the fact that Poole team only won 2 matches away all season - both at Leicester the bottom team who won't be there this year. Shame as think its Klindt's favourite track ;-) I think strength in depth will again be important, as we saw with all 3 leagues finishing top wins you nothing (a shame but its a reality as this is the way its set up). I am sold on Chris Holder (or Nick Morris) - Jack Holder - B.Kurtz - Woryna - Jakobsen - Klindt - Shanes (with his 2.5% reduction) and its creeps withing the 42.5 (assuming Chris keeps his 7.15/16). Last season proved that its about winning your home matches and getting important away points by staying within 6 points. It would be a team of combined youth and experience. An not convinced about Josh G and have a feeling he has reached his limit and will still be trying hard to establish himself in his adopted home nation Poland having changed teams after failures of 2018. Can see him maybe going back into Champ, although having POL Sunday may mess that up. He was better when doubling up even if an exhausting schedule. I feel there have to be some changes as we were a bit fortunate this year. Plenty of scope for improvement in the younger riders with stability from Klindt and Holder. Also have 3 possible strong reserves maybe alternating i.e Jakobsen/Klindt and maybe Woryna sharing that berth at times with Shanes. Of course I could be way off the mark and Matt may have other ideas :-) I'm sorry to say if I was james I would be looking else where next season after he was the scapegoat for under performing riders last time around if he had been an aussie he may have keep his place just my opinion 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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