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4 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Welcome back to Steve S. You have been missed.

Interesting news posted on POL Speedway news last night. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/778390/chris-holder-ma-zostac-w-toruniu-nowy-kontrakt-uzgodniony

Torun Media site saying Chris Holder is being offered a new contract for 2019 which surprised me for one as most news filtering out on POL media  was that he would be asked to move on. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel on his personal court case situ and in  respect of his future in UK ???. Let's hope so as its obviously taken it's toll on the guy.

Would not surprise me if he has offered to ride for less at Torun as he loves the club so much. Also with Jack riding I am sure they will travel out together and enjoy similar crew team etc. Will also maybe help Chris with his Monster sponsorship along with Jack.

Will be one big load off knowing he has his main income stream sorted for 2019.

If he can get a successful resolution to the legal case going on that works for all parties and get his visa situ sorted, then I think a calmer Chris with none of this hanging over him could be a shrewd signing for 2019 especially with his improving young Bro Jack. I would still like to see both in a Poole side but that is just my opinion. Get those 2 alongside Brady Kurtz/Woryna/Jackobsen. The remaining 2 to be determined by what the new league set up is - what points limit there is and also if it will be 6 men teams or 6 plus a young N/L Junior which personally would be my idea going forward.

For me much as winning the league is important so is a team with plenty of youth and some experience with exciting riders developing. One would hope that Holder Jr/Kurtz/Woryna and Jackobsen are riders going forward with decent careers developing. Chris with no baggage and a sorted personal life could still be a bonus on 7.16 and would also be good to help the younger guys coming along. Much as the role that was supposed to have happened in Torun this year before the personal family issues kind of overtook events.

Have heard Chris Holder now has his visa, it’s just the personal stuff to sort out now.

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11 minutes ago, scottyfan said:

Have heard Chris Holder now has his visa, it’s just the personal stuff to sort out now.

Yes the personal stuff was the more serious situation that many still don't know too much about, but it was a serious but difficult situation.

Let's hope that all the Court visits and eventual ruling/s come to an ammicable agreement/arrangement that both sides can live with, so that both sides can move on and allow Chris to continue his racing career and also give him a better quality of life on a personal front. I am sure some stability and security also with his club in Poland hopefully sorted, I would hope that he can rediscover the form  we know he is capable of even if he doesn't quite make it back to the very top again. On his day he still looks one of the best riders around as evidenced by some of his rides in the last GP.

If his visa situ is sorted as well as his POL Club then it's now all about the conclusion of the case. Get that sorted before year end and he indeed can be more relaxed. Be interesting if Matt Ford is keeping in close contact with him and  advising him where he can. He was being supportive earlier this year so let's hope so. Also noticed Matt was getting close up with Jack in a photo just before this years UK GP and if their was the alleged tension last season, then that photo sure didn't reflect it. Let's hope differences have been sorted as I feel having both Holder's at Poole and both happy would be good as no doubt both live at Chris's house near Poole.

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34 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

Not sure how that is possible without a team place in the UK.

Could it be he is now in the clear to get a visa - subject to signing for a team in UK ??

Am only guessing as have no idea, but even that would sound better than the no visa possibility that seemed to prevail prior to this seasons start.

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10 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Welcome back to Steve S. You have been missed.

Interesting news posted on POL Speedway news last night. https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/778390/chris-holder-ma-zostac-w-toruniu-nowy-kontrakt-uzgodniony

Torun Media site saying Chris Holder is being offered a new contract for 2019 which surprised me for one as most news filtering out on POL media  was that he would be asked to move on. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel on his personal court case situ and in  respect of his future in UK ???. Let's hope so as its obviously taken it's toll on the guy.

Would not surprise me if he has offered to ride for less at Torun as he loves the club so much. Also with Jack riding I am sure they will travel out together and enjoy similar crew team etc. Will also maybe help Chris with his Monster sponsorship along with Jack.

Will be one big load off knowing he has his main income stream sorted for 2019.

If he can get a successful resolution to the legal case going on that works for all parties and get his visa situ sorted, then I think a calmer Chris with none of this hanging over him could be a shrewd signing for 2019 especially with his improving young Bro Jack. I would still like to see both in a Poole side but that is just my opinion. Get those 2 alongside Brady Kurtz/Woryna/Jackobsen. The remaining 2 to be determined by what the new league set up is - what points limit there is and also if it will be 6 men teams or 6 plus a young N/L Junior which personally would be my idea going forward.

For me much as winning the league is important so is a team with plenty of youth and some experience with exciting riders developing. One would hope that Holder Jr/Kurtz/Woryna and Jackobsen are riders going forward with decent careers developing. Chris with no baggage and a sorted personal life could still be a bonus on 7.16 and would also be good to help the younger guys coming along. Much as the role that was supposed to have happened in Torun this year before the personal family issues kind of overtook events.

Most of what has been going on in Holders life is of his own making. I would not waste a nano second in negotiating a contract for him to return to Poole. More of a liability than an asset. Time to move on!!!

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Jeesh. People on here taking the P out of someones name, when the person themselves didn’t actually have a say in the matter. So Matt didn’t like the name his parents gave him so uses his middle name. So what? My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. No big or small deal whatsoever. In fact not worthy of even mentioning.

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15 hours ago, Aviator said:

Most of what has been going on in Holders life is of his own making. 

No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated.

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19 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. 

 Totally agree as she would of  been embarrassed and would of had  to put up with a lot when people found out she was now called Mrs Shovlar ..... (only joking ) 

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21 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated.

Whilst not having a lot of time for Chris holder,  in this instance I have every sympathy for him, personal experience means I know exactly what it's like sadly.

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2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Jeesh. People on here taking the P out of someones name, when the person themselves didn’t actually have a say in the matter. So Matt didn’t like the name his parents gave him so uses his middle name. So what? My wife hated the name she was given so uses her middle name. No big or small deal whatsoever. In fact not worthy of even mentioning.

I was not taking the P.... I just said he don't look like a Cecil...

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8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated.

Leave it there  Steve, they are just fishing.  They will just drag you down mate, and you are liable to say something you might later regret.

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8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

No it isn’t. When your partner goes off with someone else then bars you seeing your child completely, most would be devastated.

So, posting a video of himself riding a pit bike in his garden and jumping it close to his son, whilst his son looks on is the action of a responsible parent is it? Certainly not the actions of a man you would want as a good behavioural example for any child. No wonder the child’s mother is possibly denying him access.

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11 hours ago, Aviator said:

So, posting a video of himself riding a pit bike in his garden and jumping it close to his son, whilst his son looks on is the action of a responsible parent is it? Certainly not the actions of a man you would want as a good behavioural example for any child. No wonder the child’s mother is possibly denying him access.

Pretty sure that's not why imo. Going by what I have heard, he could be the best father in the world and she still wouldn't let him. Some people just like to be super controlling..

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