Racin Jason 72 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Now lakeside are going to relocate to Rye House what are they going to call the team. The obvious is the Rye House hammers but will that alienate some fans from both sides ? Historically cradley at stoke. The Scottish monarchs. Boston riding at kings Lynn. Coventry riding at Leicester and cradley riding at Birmingham have all been unsuccessful to a degree. I think in this case lakeside should retain the name for the remainder of this season and next season the team should revert to Rye House rockets. Would this stop lakeside fans attending ??? Or will the rocket fans support a lakeside team ?? intresting times ahead. I’m just glad we are not loosing another team. Very intrested to know what the views are of the rockets and hammers supporters are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Doesnt work in most cases . Just going by experience . In 1996 when it was Scottish Monarchs , it was basically an Edinburgh team plus Mick Powell , riding at Glasgow . A lot of Monarchs fans wouldnt go because it was at Shawfield and we went to cheer for the opposition every week . That got boring after a while and the crowd levels dwindled . Thankfully it only lasted a season and we both got our identities back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paulco said: Doesnt work in most cases . Just going by experience . In 1996 when it was Scottish Monarchs , it was basically an Edinburgh team plus Mick Powell , riding at Glasgow . A lot of Monarchs fans wouldnt go because it was at Shawfield and we went to cheer for the opposition every week . That got boring after a while and the crowd levels dwindled . Thankfully it only lasted a season and we both got our identities back . You could say that the Scottish Monarchs was an example where it did work. It kept speedway running in Scotland for that year and made both sides realise they still wanted their own club... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Now lakeside are going to relocate to Rye House what are they going to call the team. The obvious is the Rye House hammers but will that alienate some fans from both sides ? Historically cradley at stoke. The Scottish monarchs. Boston riding at kings Lynn. Coventry riding at Leicester and cradley riding at Birmingham have all been unsuccessful to a degree. I think in this case lakeside should retain the name for the remainder of this season and next season the team should revert to Rye House rockets. Would this stop lakeside fans attending ??? Or will the rocket fans support a lakeside team ?? intresting times ahead. I’m just glad we are not loosing another team. Very intrested to know what the views are of the rockets and hammers supporters are. The Rye House supporters never attended in sufficient numbers this season to make it viable. To alienate the hammers fans next year by removing any connection with their club, would be a mistake in my opinion. You have to embrace the history of both teams, for this venture to have any chance of success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, HenryW said: You could say that the Scottish Monarchs was an example where it did work. It kept speedway running in Scotland for that year and made both sides realise they still wanted their own club... Yes i suppose there is that view . It did keep things alive up here until Armadale became home for the Monarchs . But it was still a weird season going to Shawfield that season and not seeing a Tigers racejacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted September 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, HenryW said: You could say that the Scottish Monarchs was an example where it did work. It kept speedway running in Scotland for that year and made both sides realise they still wanted their own club... I believe it nearly killed the promotion financially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: I believe it nearly killed the promotion financially Damn right -- and the "Workington Tigers" were just as crippling financially to the Beatons in 1987, as were the "Barrow Bandits" to the Taylor/Fairbairn axis in 1981. Neither reached the end of their respective season. It just doesn't work. However, if the former Lakeside promotion are going to hire the Rye House facilities to run speedway this and (more importantly) next year it can only be a good thing, provided they don't try to create a "Rye House Hammers" feel for their new show. They'll soon find the the thirty miles from old to new homes are a long, long road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlead Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just a question, do many Lakeside fans travel to Rye House? also would enough travel to make it more viable than it was for Rye House? (I know that's 2 questions) lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo 403 Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 The important difference crowd wise will be the race night is not midweek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, redlead said: Just a question, do many Lakeside fans travel to Rye House? also would enough travel to make it more viable than it was for Rye House? (I know that's 2 questions) lol. That is the big question. No doubt the few meetings lakeside will be running at Rye, will determine what happens next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Interesting comments, I honestly believe the team name is a no win situation for the promotion so they may as well bite the bullet and go down the Rockets route at least it will have synonymity with local media and local folk. This sort of issue demonstrates just how fickle Speedway supporters can be if they choose to be so, when Cradley moved to Stoke it was a financial disaster yet the club name has been able to run, closer to the Black Country, as a nomad team relatively successfully and just about viable for some seasons. I know this proves that Dudley Wood closed prematurely but neither Stoke or Cradley fans gave the Promoters the best of both worlds at Loomer Road. If you look at the number of revived team names swishing about the development leagues there is a small core of used to go folk who trip around following the club name and do a good job keeping the name alive but is that really enough to build on? I honestly believe that an experienced promotion that can; put right the obvious wrongs of the previous Promoters, avoid paying riders stupid money and operate with a Promoter who maintains enthusiasm instead of rocking up at 8 o'clock in shorts, flip flops and cocked shades (so not JC IMHO) has the basis to make it work. They can start by shovelling all that 5hit off the centre green ! Edited September 2, 2018 by Byker Biker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 The name can have a significant effect on how fans identify (or don't identify) with a team, and I agree with City Rebel - if this season's 'experiment' is seen as a success, and the Lakeside promotion run at RH next season, the name should incorporate both elements. Eg, Rye House Hammers or Hoddesdon Hammers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: Interesting comments, I honestly believe the team name is a no win situation for the promotion so they may as well bite the bullet and go down the Rockets route at least it will have synonymity with local media and local folk. This sort of issue demonstrates just how fickle Speedway supporters can be if they choose to be so, when Cradley moved to Stoke it was a financial disaster yet the club name has been able to run, closer to the Black Country, as a nomad team relatively successfully and just about viable for some seasons. I know this proves that Dudley Wood closed prematurely but neither Stoke or Cradley fans gave the Promoters the best of both worlds at Loomer Road. If you look at the number of revived team names swishing about the development leagues there is a small core of used to go folk who trip around following the club name and do a good job keeping the name alive but is that really enough to build on? I honestly believe that an experienced promotion that can; put right the obvious wrongs of the previous Promoters, avoid paying riders stupid money and operate with a Promoter who maintains enthusiasm instead of rocking up at 8 o'clock in shorts, flip flops and cocked shades (so not JC IMHO) has the basis to make it work. They can start by shovelling all that 5hit off the centre green ! Couldn't agree more with that last sentence! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 If a team does race next year then a name etc will surely depend on which promotion is running it. Perhaps Cook and Scott can join forces - especially with Cooks experience and that gives Stuart Douglas a way out. There would then be a new club formed ...... The Rye Park Racers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Letters ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Hoddesdon Hammers could be a name to suggest - it keeps the "Hammers" name yet still bases some home value of Rye House but in this case, you use the place where the track is actually based 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 Personally for me if club doesn’t keep some of its identity I wouldn’t bother going. I will try and get to a meeting or two this season and see how I feel about it. Lakeside / Arena Essex has always been my local team so I don’t think I would be able to just start supporting another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 the race night is a massive positive wether you are from herts, Essex, surrey, Timbuctoo or anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRA Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 On 9/2/2018 at 10:24 AM, Robbo 403 said: The important difference crowd wise will be the race night is not midweek. This is the most important point for all speedway teams in the UK to ride on a day which is most profitable for the promotion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/2/2018 at 9:57 AM, Paulco said: A lot of Monarchs fans wouldnt go because it was at Shawfield and we went to cheer for the opposition every week . Especially when Coventry visited From memory Bees won with a team that included a certain S.Bowes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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