Poole v Wolves. Prem B. 5/9/18

[STEVEHOLS54]

Interesting that last night some riders managed to get their GSA's for next season down further in the last qualifying match despite the easy win. Fortunately BP don't count in the GSA calculation but interesting that Jackobsen got 3 BP in  4 rides.

Based on the 20 match rolling av some riders now sit on very attractive GSA's for 2019 compared to what their true ability is. (Assuming these are the final ones, as I  was informed play off's scores don't count). The 3 I think guaranteed for example next year:

Kurtz 6.75

Woryna 6.30

Jackobsen 5.04.

Of course the BIG if's are what will be the league structure for 2019 - what will team limits be and no doubt other questions in respect of will it be 6 man teams - will they introduce a one young Brit rule from NL under a certain age.

Other imponderables for Poole are would Matt bring Jack Holder back (based on this seasons form he will finish higher than Kurtz on GSA and seems to be progressing ahead of Kurtz which reinforces what some said since early last season that he may overtake him long term). Plus of course would Chris Holder come or be allowed back ???

Also of course the questions of Klindt/Josh G/Will he try to get Harris back who would snap Matt's hand off at the chance to stay imo. I think Worrall may try to get back up North if he gets a chance.

Plenty to keep the old brain cell's ticking over when our  season is over one way or the other.

[STEVEHOLS54]

Interesting comment made earlier about Luke Becker.

I notice he is under Hancocks wing as part of the recently formed Hancock Haj set up where the other riders are Holder Sr - Milik & Smektala.

His pretty impressive USA results are on https://www.speedwaybikes.com/rw/uLuke_Becker.htm and his announcement into team Haj are on http://www.hancockhaj.com/blog/becker-up-for-the-challenge/

Couldnt get into Edinburgh due to visa issue earlier this year but I wonder what GSA he would get with NO proven European League experience, and could Matt MAYBE thinking of the reserve berth for next season if their is a League restructure and team points limit set ??. He is only 19 so plenty of improvement in him.

Hancock is no mug so the fact his Hancock Haj set up are supporting him he must see some potential. Plus maybe Monster involved as they are shown on the HH Web page as one of the team sponsers.

Also didn't Woryna have a similar show you around experience with before he came to UK ??

Edited September 6, 2018 by STEVEHOLS54
added additional sentence.

[SteveLyric2]

Herbie and Gordon are good mates so there may be some influence there?

[Gavan]

Surely the first 2 names on the team sheet will be Harris and Klindt and if Kurtz can be say a third heat leader he will do ok. Poole need a big hitting number one but they are thin on the ground. Woryna will have an average of a second string and has yet to prove he can step up to that.

 

[STEVEHOLS54]

4 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Herbie and Gordon are good mates so there may be some influence there?

He could probably double up (if there are 2 leagues next season that is) and he is also on Hancock's POL Team books. That team looks likely to be promoted into POL Lge 1 next season so he may get early exposre to POL as well. If the likes of an unknown Aussie like Jaimon Lidsey can get into a POL Lge team (lge 2) then maybe this guy with his backing can get in ??

[daz9100]

I'd certainly like Harris, Woryna, Klindt and Jackobsen back next year and work the rest of the team around them.

[foreverblue]

10 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Surely the first 2 names on the team sheet will be Harris and Klindt and if Kurtz can be say a third heat leader he will do ok. Poole need a big hitting number one but they are thin on the ground. Woryna will have an average of a second string and has yet to prove he can step up to that.

 

I think Woryna will be easily capable of stepping up. This a unimportant meeting, I believe he will step up when needed in the play offs, not so sure about Brady though.

when you compare the teams they are pretty evenly matched so it could go either way.

Edited September 6, 2018 by foreverblue

[STEVEHOLS54]

5 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Surely the first 2 names on the team sheet will be Harris and Klindt and if Kurtz can be say a third heat leader he will do ok. Poole need a big hitting number one but they are thin on the ground. Woryna will have an average of a second string and has yet to prove he can step up to that.

 

It's a difficult one Gav. He signed Woryna as he saw him as having maybe the potential of Magic (his words not mine), although that was more headline grabbing I think for the media. Jackobsen was definitely signed for the future and Ford openly said that it was a bonus getting him for the later part of this just to get track experience so 5.04 is a bargain to start the season on at reserve probably.

Harris you will always get effort and Klindt we all know is a gating tart but this season he has improved as the season went on and has become a fairly good consistent gating tart. A poor man's Hancock i call him as like him if he makes the gate great but if not doesnt always overtake from the back.

I think Matt will have some difficult decisions in the close season BUT so much will be governed by the league  set up and points limits for 2019. Will there be some amalgamation ?? - If there si will there be a Prem points conv as a leveller and what will that all important team limit be. What about the Holders ?? Both  are assets and IF allowed both could be signed ??

Plenty of questions for sure but we all need to know what they agree at the BSPA before any real planning can be done, although I would be VERY surprised if Kur/Wory/Jack are not first names on the sheet purely because they are all young with potential and importantly all on attractive GSA's for next season.

[Steve Shovlar]

Spoke briefly to Luke Becker last night. Seems a nice lad. Was wearing Monster gear.

Edited September 6, 2018 by Steve Shovlar

[Booey boy]

40 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

It's a difficult one Gav. He signed Woryna as he saw him as having maybe the potential of Magic (his words not mine), although that was more headline grabbing I think for the media. Jackobsen was definitely signed for the future and Ford openly said that it was a bonus getting him for the later part of this just to get track experience so 5.04 is a bargain to start the season on at reserve probably.

Harris you will always get effort and Klindt we all know is a gating tart but this season he has improved as the season went on and has become a fairly good consistent gating tart. A poor man's Hancock i call him as like him if he makes the gate great but if not doesnt always overtake from the back.

I think Matt will have some difficult decisions in the close season BUT so much will be governed by the league  set up and points limits for 2019. Will there be some amalgamation ?? - If there si will there be a Prem points conv as a leveller and what will that all important team limit be. What about the Holders ?? Both  are assets and IF allowed both could be signed ??

Plenty of questions for sure but we all need to know what they agree at the BSPA before any real planning can be done, although I would be VERY surprised if Kur/Wory/Jack are not first names on the sheet purely because they are all young with potential and importantly all on attractive GSA's for next season.

You are presuming Jack wants to come back?

[Steve Shovlar]

If Matt is in charge of Poole next season there would be no way back for Jack Holder, even if he wanted to return. Burnt all his bridges with his behaviour last season.

[Starman2006]

4 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

If Matt is in charge of Poole next season there would be no way back for Jack Holder, even if he wanted to return. Burnt all his bridges with his behaviour last season.

But Garry May told me he's been as good as Gold for him at Somerset. quote pleasure to deal with.  Still looks a little head strong though..

[Steve Shovlar]

1 minute ago, Starman2006 said:

But Garry May told me he's been as good as Gold for him at Somerset. quote pleasure to deal with.  Still looks a little head strong though..

He had to be seperated from his team mate earlier this season and threatened with the sack. Doesn’t sound good as gold to me.

[Steve Shovlar]

Heat 14 last night.

 

[poolebolton]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Spoke briefly to Luke Becker last night. Seems a nice lad. Was wearing Monster gear.

Does he plan to sign for Poole. 

 

I wonder if MIlik will consider a return Because Wroclaw are going to drop him. 

Kurtz Woryna Fred are guranteed. If Becker wants to sign could see that. 

 

Oliver B(Swedish) wants to race in England and he could potentially start on 4. 

[Mattfordfan]

Brady Kurtz, Josh Grajczonek, Frederik Jakobsen & Kacper Woryna will all return imo. Just need another 3.

Chris Holder, Jack Holder & One other Nicolai Klindt maybe.

[Gavan]

6 minutes ago, Trumpy said:

Brady Kurtz, Josh Grajczonek, Frederik Jakobsen & Kacper Woryna will all return imo. Just need another 3.

Chris Holder, Jack Holder & One other Nicolai Klindt maybe.

Josh G the one that all Poole fans wanted gone all season. He isn’t getting any better is a bit of a journeyman but good for 5 or 6 points a meeting 

Why would any Poole fan want Chris Holder back? Isn’t good enough and causes problems much better options available. Jack Holder more than happy at Somerset.....Poole fans need to forget the Holders. 

Poole will end up this season with a team of seven riders all averaging between 6 and 7.

A minimum of 2 of those need to go and that o would imagine will be Worrall and Josh.

They need a big hitting number one and have Harris and Kurtz as back up. Klindt and Woryna or one of as a second string and Freddie as the main reserve. Get rid of Worrall and Josh get a better number one and a reserve to go with Freddie 

[TesarRacing]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

If Matt is in charge of Poole next season there would be no way back for Jack Holder, even if he wanted to return. Burnt all his bridges with his behaviour last season.

Is there an if..............

[STEVEHOLS54]

33 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Josh G the one that all Poole fans wanted gone all season. He isn’t getting any better is a bit of a journeyman but good for 5 or 6 points a meeting 

Why would any Poole fan want Chris Holder back? Isn’t good enough and causes problems much better options available. Jack Holder more than happy at Somerset.....Poole fans need to forget the Holders. 

Poole will end up this season with a team of seven riders all averaging between 6 and 7.

A minimum of 2 of those need to go and that o would imagine will be Worrall and Josh.

They need a big hitting number one and have Harris and Kurtz as back up. Klindt and Woryna or one of as a second string and Freddie as the main reserve. Get rid of Worrall and Josh get a better number one and a reserve to go with Freddie 

The problem will be with whatever points limit is set by the BSPA and the League set up.

Having strength in  depth potentially also brings its own problems as with so many on the 6 to 7 mark (except Jackobsen) then maybe an issue if you want an out and out number one like say a Doyle. Could someone like Piotr Pawlicki become a possibility again (although a Wolves asset now I believe). Heard he was primed for Poole and sponsors etc set up before the one over 8 killed that option. I see he again missed out on next seasons GP's and if his 7.32 GSA has dropped again having been out of UK since 2014 (5 seasons out of UK come 2019 season), then like say Milik who is also not in SGP he could be on a bargain av below 8 as a non GP rider.

I know many will say top stars not interested in UK, (I believe will continue to be the case with Milik), but Pawlicki seemed to want to ride UK until the SGP points rules rules blocked him, so maybe a possible contender ??

Maybe young Becker is a reserve contender as one would assume he would come in on a low av ??

Going to be interesting as only Matt Ford and the Holders may have an insight as to whether one or both will be part of the future plans. (Wouldn't surprise me if discussions already in hand or have taken place). On their current GSA's and with the level of the Prem not being as high as POL or Swe then both on 7 points are not bad. Especially with the younger one seemingly on the way up. Both would be living locally to Poole as I am sure both live at Chris's house now he is single (I'm assuming), so expenses wise also  a saving compared to say Poles/Swedes/Danes etc.

I am sure Matt will be eager to avoid any banana skins (like Spaniak) after this season. The big risk would possibly be Becker but on a low GSA may be worth the risk to give him more points further up. One would think someone is going to go for him with all the backing he has from Hancock's joint venture and Monster backing. He must be showing something.

[Orbiter]

59 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Josh G the one that all Poole fans wanted gone all season. He isn’t getting any better is a bit of a journeyman but good for 5 or 6 points a meeting 

Why would any Poole fan want Chris Holder back? Isn’t good enough and causes problems much better options available. Jack Holder more than happy at Somerset.....Poole fans need to forget the Holders. 

Poole will end up this season with a team of seven riders all averaging between 6 and 7.

A minimum of 2 of those need to go and that o would imagine will be Worrall and Josh.

They need a big hitting number one and have Harris and Kurtz as back up. Klindt and Woryna or one of as a second string and Freddie as the main reserve. Get rid of Worrall and Josh get a better number one and a reserve to go with Freddie 

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