Scorpions v Sheffield 31.08.2018 7.30pm

[Byker Biker]

6 hours ago, spin king said:

Could it be that the Glasgow v Newcastle  fixture was the original date whereas the Scunthorpe v Sheffield fixture was re- arranged as the original fixture was cancelled due to the weather.

It's 'cos it was a Friday, having created plenty of guests somebody has to use them now.

[brylcream boy]

24 minutes ago, Byker Biker said:

It's 'cos it was a Friday, having created plenty of guests somebody has to use them now.

The rules are far to complicated for me to understand, but why does someone have to use a guest? At Scunny last night there were none, the same at Edinburgh.

[montie]

6 hours ago, spin king said:

Could it be that the Glasgow v Newcastle  fixture was the original date whereas the Scunthorpe v Sheffield fixture was re- arranged as the original fixture was cancelled due to the weather.

becarefull SK,you might just be talking to much sense there and prevent folk from talking about what a fantastic meeting we saw last night

[Cue Ball]

11 hours ago, racers and royals said:

 

on my orginal post i found a flight from Birmingham at 6.55am which got to Bordeaux at 10am which Shanes could have taken  and i think it was £71

No idea at all about the politics, rules or regulations behind Sheffield being granted a facility - and to be honest I couldn’t really care less, I just want to see four riders, good racing and preferably a Sheffield win! But...

It cost me about that to take a suitcase to Croatia and back - I doubt Shanes, his mechanic (dad?), bikes, engines, spares etc will be able to fly for that amount!!! And given flight delays etc, would you risk arriving 2 hours before practice when representing your country? I wouldn’t.

Harris has a team and no doubt has somebody who can drive a van to France for him - which from Sheffield would take best part of around 13 hours non-stop, so add on waiting for the ferry/tunnel, toilet/food stops etc, you’re looking at 16/17 hours travel at least, so too much to do in one day safely - That person or persons can no doubt set up the bikes and so forth when they get there. Shanes doesn’t have those kind of resources at his disposal.

Also, I would guess that Shanes wouldn’t turn down the chance to earn money riding for Sheffield if he could help it - at his stage of career, he will no doubt want and need all the cash he can get his hands on.

Finally, if you look at his schedule he isn’t exactly work shy when it comes to riding his bikes! He seems to cram in as many as he can, so again, would think that he would have preferred to ride if he possibly could have done.

Anyway, perhaps we can all stop putting a dampener on what was an entertaining night. Scunny got 3 points regardless of the Sheffield team make up and so can be happy. Sheffield salvaged some pride after some woeful home performances. Everybody’s a winner

Edited September 1, 2018 by Cue Ball

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, Cue Ball said:

No idea at all about the politics, rules or regulations behind Sheffield being granted a facility - and to be honest I couldn’t really care less, I just want to see four riders, good racing and preferably a Sheffield win! But...

It cost me about that to take a suitcase to Croatia and back - I doubt Shanes, his mechanic (dad?), bikes, engines, spares etc will be able to fly for that amount!!! And given flight delays etc, would you risk arriving 2 hours before practice when representing your country? I wouldn’t.

Harris has a team and no doubt has somebody who can drive a van to France for him - which from Sheffield would take best part of around 13 hours non-stop, so add on waiting for the ferry/tunnel, toilet/food stops etc, you’re looking at 16/17 hours travel at least, so too much to do in one day safely - That person or persons can no doubt set up the bikes and so forth when they get there. Shanes doesn’t have those kind of resources at his disposal.

Also, I would guess that Shanes wouldn’t turn down the chance to earn money riding for Sheffield if he could help it - at his stage of career, he will no doubt want and need all the cash he can get his hands on.

Finally, if you look at his schedule he isn’t exactly work shy when it comes to riding his bikes! He seems to cram in as many as he can, so again, would think that he would have preferred to ride if he possibly could have done.

Anyway, perhaps we can all stop putting a dampener on what was an entertaining night. Scunny got 3 points regardless of the Sheffield team make up and so can be happy. Sheffield salvaged some pride after some woeful home performances. Everybody’s a winner

Let`s get this straight- Shanes has never been on the continent grasstracking/longtracking the day after fulfilling a British commitment ? Obviously his kit for Morizes would go by road and he would have flown out by himself this morning. Funnily enough  professional speedway riders are doing that day in day out !!

[The Third Man]

33 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Let`s get this straight- Shanes has never been on the continent grasstracking/longtracking the day after fulfilling a British commitment ? Obviously his kit for Morizes would go by road and he would have flown out by himself this morning. Funnily enough  professional speedway riders are doing that day in day out !!

I think you need to stop the obsession and focus on the match now

it looks like Sheffields  top 2 cost us again

[Guest WTF1]

Yes it's time to stop the Shane's theory, who cares,  he wasn't missed for Sheffield 7+1 his R/R rides produced far more than he would have got,  probably would have been replaced in one race anyway with an inform reserve,  certainly didn't detract from one of the best matches and racing I have seen in a long time and there were no bloody guests. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

56 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

I think you need to stop the obsession and focus on the match now

it looks like Sheffields  top 2 cost us again

An obsession with wanting a fair and consistent application of the regulations cant be a bad thing IMO

How many times do people moan about 'manipulation' 'special dispensation' 'in the interests of the sport' and ask for an independant head

Well guess what an independant head would not have agreed a facility

Just because the match 'doesnt really matter' is no reason to ignore the set structure

[Boothers]

2 hours ago, Cue Ball said:

 

Harris has a team and no doubt has somebody who can drive a van to France for him - which from Sheffield would take best part of around 13 hours non-stop, so add on waiting for the ferry/tunnel, toilet/food stops etc, you’re looking at 16/17 hours travel at least, so too much to do in one day safely - That person or persons can no doubt set up the bikes and so forth when they get there. Shanes doesn’t have those kind of resources

Sorry, and I have no axe to grind here, but surely a rule is a rule and the fact that Chris Harris has worked his nuts off to be in the fabulous position to have a 'team' behind him shouldn't mean that other riders should have 'allowances' made because they're not as 'fortunate' as him. 

[montie]

14 minutes ago, Boothers said:

Sorry, and I have no axe to grind here, but surely a rule is a rule and the fact that Chris Harris has worked his nuts off to be in the fabulous position to have a 'team' behind him shouldn't mean that other riders should have 'allowances' made because they're not as 'fortunate' as him. 

Totally correct.. But when a meeting is re-arranged there needs to be some flexibility 

Would be nice to think that in the future maybe the two promotions can sort it out between themselves.. Rather that rules rules rules

EG. Sheffield could quite rightly have said no we ain't coming that day as Shanes isn't available.. So if the home promotion are OK with them using RR rather than a NL wobbler to make the meeting more attractive then maybe that's ok

Be nice in the future for both teams to make the call themselves and try and keep speedway as competitive as it can be.. Just like the meeting was last night

 

It really isn't good for our sport when a rule overshadows the reason we all turned up last night.. Good hard competitive racing 

[Bagpuss]

34 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

An obsession with wanting a fair and consistent application of the regulations cant be a bad thing IMO

How many times do people moan about 'manipulation' 'special dispensation' 'in the interests of the sport' and ask for an independant head

Well guess what an independant head would not have agreed a facility

Just because the match 'doesnt really matter' is no reason to ignore the set structure

Spot on, British speedway is far too lax with how rules and regs are applied. Shanes could have ridden last night and today if he had really wanted to.

Its worrying how many folk shrug their shoulders at flimsy appliance of rules. Without proper governance you have a weak sport.

Good to see Kasper impressing again by the way.

[spin king]

Like I ask is there any special dispensation regarding a re- arranged fixture.

The Scunthorpe meeting was a re-arrange meeting, the Glasgow one was an original fixture.

Racer Royal says he is fairly certain that rules were broken.

Redcar I see are considering and reading the rule book to see if they have grounds to to lodge a complaint.

Anybody got a spare couple of hours to look through the rulebook. 

[Boothers]

5 minutes ago, montie said:

 

EG. Sheffield could quite rightly have said no we ain't coming that day as Shanes isn't available.. So if the home promotion are OK with them using RR rather than a NL wobbler to make the meeting more attractive then maybe that's ok

 

Sorry? Sheffield could 'quite rightly' say we aren't coming (our reserve isn't available so we've decided not to turn up to a previously agreed fixture?)?

To be fair I agree with the second part of your statement.

And I agree with your comments regarding the racing which (whilst I wasn't there) appears to have been of a high standard.

[montie]

13 minutes ago, Boothers said:

Sorry? Sheffield could 'quite rightly' say we aren't coming (our reserve isn't available so we've decided not to turn up to a previously agreed fixture?)?

 

No meant as this was a re arranged fixture, When sunny offered the tigers this date they could have declined it as Shanes wasn't there

[IronScorpion]

19 hours ago, Charlieboy said:

Does it really matter if it's r/r or national league guest ? It makes no difference to league table ,we will still finish bottom !!!!! Speedway rules are a total joke and if Scunthorpe are that desperate to win then Godfrey will get his way tonight. only losers will be the crowd paying to see a rider miles behind the rest. If Broc rides like he has lately we will not have adequate cover for r/r anyway.I think Scunthorpe are scared he might ride like he did last time.

We do almost every meeting.  

[Boothers]

4 minutes ago, montie said:

No meant as this was a re arranged fixture, When sunny offered the tigers this date they could have declined it as Shanes wasn't there

Ok got you now.

[The Third Man]

1 hour ago, Boothers said:

Sorry, and I have no axe to grind here, but surely a rule is a rule and the fact that Chris Harris has worked his nuts off to be in the fabulous position to have a 'team' behind him shouldn't mean that other riders should have 'allowances' made because they're not as 'fortunate' as him. 

So you are only able to ride in important meetings if you have a team behind you?

and we wonder why there is a limited amount young talent coming though

[The Third Man]

1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

An obsession with wanting a fair and consistent application of the regulations cant be a bad thing IMO

How many times do people moan about 'manipulation' 'special dispensation' 'in the interests of the sport' and ask for an independant head

Well guess what an independant head would not have agreed a facility

Just because the match 'doesnt really matter' is no reason to ignore the set structure

So which rules have been broken, the one that says you cant drive to continental meetings you must have the money to fly?

where is that in the rule book

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

34 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

So which rules have been broken, the one that says you cant drive to continental meetings you must have the money to fly?

where is that in the rule book

The one where you don’t get a facility for missing a meeting for driving. For FIM longtrack events you only get a facility for the day of practise and the day of the meeting, the practise and the meeting is both on today. Suprised Godfrey has let it happen to be honest but it’s Speedway after all... the most amateur proffesional sport in the world...no wonder nobody takes the sport seriously from the outside anymore.

[racers and royals]

10 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said:

The one where you don’t get a facility for missing a meeting for driving. For FIM longtrack events you only get a facility for the day of practise and the day of the meeting, the practise and the meeting is both on today. Suprised Godfrey has let it happen to be honest but it’s Speedway after all... the most amateur proffesional sport in the world...no wonder nobody takes the sport seriously from the outside anymore.

Actually the rule says that you DON’T get a facility for practice day- which on occasions can be the day before the meeting day- As you have rightly said practice and event are today.