Gavan Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: He is far too slow. Its his bikes which are fine for Championship racing but he is too slow for the top flight. He needs a faster engine it is clear to see. He just isnt very good on bigger tracks simple as that. Nothing to do with what league he is riding in. Poor at Glasgow and good at Edinburgh.......he just cant ride bigger tracks........his bikes arent fine for championship racing he just isnt good on bigger tracks His 3 lowest away scores are 2 at Somerset, 3 at Belle Vue and 6 at Somerset................unfortunately 2 of Pooles play off rivals so his form at those tracks would be a concern Every other away meeting he has contributed 7 points......a good return from 4 rides for a second string to me. At home he has banged in 10 ,8 and 12 from second string but his last 2 performances have been poor. He has been a solid second string for Poole his scores indicate that...............but his ability on bigger track could easily expose Poole in the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Probably also struggled to come to terms with the fact his brother is better than he is. I don't think so. He wanted and expected to be back at Belle Vue in 2017 and he and Steve are very close and help each other. Some riders are able to perform better on the smaller tracks. Scott Nicholls for example. Richie was not doing well by his standards at Glasgow, he moved to Edinburgh and apart from a fall has been superb. I want all British riders to do well and even more so those who are Aces assets but if it is his engines it is taking a long time to sort out. Edited August 31, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aces51 said: I don't think so. He wanted and expected to be back at Belle Vue in 2017 and he and Steve are very close and help each other. Some riders are able to perform better on the smaller tracks. Scott Nicholls for example. Richie was not doing well by his standards at Glasgow, he moved to Edinburgh and apart from a fall has been superb. I want all British riders to do well and even more so those who are Aces assets but if it is his engines it is taking a long time to sort out. Its not just his engines thats obvious. As you said Scott Nicholls struggles on the bigger tracks to thats not just all about his engines some riders are just that way and vice versa. I might be wrong but im sure Nicholls has a better average away from Peterborough than his home one. Its a daft line of thinking that Worralls bikes are good enough for one league and not the other........thats not how it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 I scratch my head when thinking about Richie. How you can have two literally identical riders with access to the same supply chain re equipment and tuners but perform so differently. I’ve toyed with the idea of having him back in the watered down league next year and partnering him with Steve. They are very close and could hopefully feed off each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 I think he's a confidence rider. and is a lot better than some on here imagine. I was disappointed when he left the Stars, he had progressed well in the short time he was here. . Having his brother for a fellow competitor is a marvellous motivation to them both. There are many riders who don't perform at certain tracks and clubs, but that doesn't tell the true story . I thought he done well at Lynn the other night and was equal top scorer with Bomber. Says a lot about the rest.. I would imagine there would be many clubs who would like the chance to sign Richie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, foreverblue said: His engines will remain under powered unless the club give him a engine better suited to bigger tracks, I don't think it is anything else as he is riding well in the championship and he isn't going to invest more money into his equipment for the play offs especially as I doubt he will be at Poole next season. It is up to Matt Ford to help him if we want to win. Well if Moanarchs' fans can buy him a set of kevlars so he can ride for them I'm sure the Pirates' fans can get him a new engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Gavan said: Its not just his engines thats obvious. As you said Scott Nicholls struggles on the bigger tracks to thats not just all about his engines some riders are just that way and vice versa. I might be wrong but im sure Nicholls has a better average away from Peterborough than his home one. Its a daft line of thinking that Worralls bikes are good enough for one league and not the other........thats not how it seems Don't know if it's true or not but there was a story circulating that Scotty had said all the engines he had were set up for small tracks and as a result the Panthers' promotion bought him new engines set up for the Showground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, g13webb said: I think he's a confidence rider. and is a lot better than some on here imagine. I was disappointed when he left the Stars, he had progressed well in the short time he was here. . Having his brother for a fellow competitor is a marvellous motivation to them both. There are many riders who don't perform at certain tracks and clubs, but that doesn't tell the true story . I thought he done well at Lynn the other night and was equal top scorer with Bomber. Says a lot about the rest.. I would imagine there would be many clubs who would like the chance to sign Richie. Bet Glasgow won't get the chance again after the way they mistreated him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: His engines will remain under powered unless the club give him a engine better suited to bigger tracks, I don't think it is anything else as he is riding well in the championship and he isn't going to invest more money into his equipment for the play offs especially as I doubt he will be at Poole next season. It is up to Matt Ford to help him if we want to win. in the past boycie prepared some engines specifically for poole that the promotion loaned to riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: He is far too slow. Its his bikes which are fine for Championship racing but he is too slow for the top flight. He needs a faster engine it is clear to see. And thats just the thing Steve, he said in one post meeting conference, the championship is harder than the Premiership .. And apparantly he sent an engine for a service and be tuned and apparantly, it came back flat. So if that was the case he should send it back with a flea in its ear.. Edited August 31, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, poole keith said: in the past boycie prepared some engines specifically for poole that the promotion loaned to riders In the past.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: And thats just the thing Steve, he said in one post meeting conference, the championship is harder than the Premiership .. And apparantly he sent an engine for a service and be tuned and apparantly, it came back flat. So if that was the case he should send it back with a flea in its ear.. Doesnt matter how 'fast' you make the bikes, some riders are better than others on certain types of tracks. Richie Worrall has never been that good on bigger tracks simple as that Its to simplistic to say his bikes are fine for the lower league. On the plus side he has been fine for Poole but his ability round Belle Vue and Somerset is a concern should Poole face either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 I'm not mechanically minded but apparantly Richie rides a 'long stroke' engine rather than a 'short stroke' one! Maybe its not the size/shape of the track that is the issue but mainly down to track prep. When interviewed after the Bank Holiday afternoon meeting he said he prefers a lot more grip rather than - as everyone witnessed - a very understandably slick track bearing in mind the amount of rain that fell the day before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Aces51 said: I don't think so. He wanted and expected to be back at Belle Vue in 2017 and he and Steve are very close and help each other. Some riders are able to perform better on the smaller tracks. Scott Nicholls for example. Richie was not doing well by his standards at Glasgow, he moved to Edinburgh and apart from a fall has been superb. I want all British riders to do well and even more so those who are Aces assets but if it is his engines it is taking a long time to sort out. yes I get some riders are better at smaller tracks but he just looks so slow on the straights, maybe we are expecting too much of him but I hope he can improve a little as we will need him to perform if we are to have any chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I'm not mechanically minded but apparantly Richie rides a 'long stroke' engine rather than a 'short stroke' one! Maybe its not the size/shape of the track that is the issue but mainly down to track prep. When interviewed after the Bank Holiday afternoon meeting he said he prefers a lot more grip rather than - as everyone witnessed - a very understandably slick track bearing in mind the amount of rain that fell the day before. Always prefer a long stroke myself!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Richie's had some decent scores as a 2nd string this season - it has to be down to track prep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Always prefer a long stroke myself!! Ooo err Missus! I take it we are talking motorcycles here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Always prefer a long stroke myself!! Me too but at my age a short stroke is often enough!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Me too but at my age a short stroke is often enough!! Depends who is doing the stroking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Richie's had some decent scores as a 2nd string this season - it has to be down to track prep. Maybe in some cases. Cant see it having much to do with the engines more to do with a riders ability on certain tracks, he just doesnt seem to like the bigger ones. Give him a super fast engine and i still wouldnt expect him to do much better at the NSS or Somerset. He has scored 7 away in every away match apart from 3............1 at the NSS and 2 at Somerset....... His scores at home have been up and down bur he has had some big scores and is more than doing his job for Poole. The worry as ive said is Poole having to face either Belle Vue or Somerset with Richie at reserve and Woryna in the team. Woryna hasnt done that well at Belle Vue up against 2 weaker reserves in Etheridge and Drodsz. You would expect Berge to outscore Worrall and Woryna at the NSS In both matches at Poole Belle Vue have been up against it. R/R for Worrall and the weaker reserves scored 3 between them and a 19 point loss. The other match was a 10 point loss with guesta at 1 and 3 only getting 5 between them. Belle Vue at full strength could push Poole closer at Wimborne Road but the fair nature of the NSS and the loss of Bewley means i think Poole will keep it close at the NSS. All immaterial as i think it will be Poole Somerset semi final and Somerset have shown they are the better side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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