Paulco Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 I feared the worst about Harris for last night after his pitiful performance at Somerset's televised meeting on Monday . Even George Stancl could get his engines going more often than Bomber . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Paulco said: I feared the worst about Harris for last night after his pitiful performance at Somerset's televised meeting on Monday . Even George Stancl could get his engines going more often than Bomber . And he ended up at Edinburgh - maybe Bomber will too and give us some hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 A good night to be a Monarchs fan but I expected a more spirited, hard fought match from the Tiggers. Good job the wee bulldog turned up and got a bit of help from Starkey. Hope tomorrow’s forecast changes or an early call-off would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 hours ago, cinderfella said: You would have room if Scotty moved back to Ipswich as the usual season ending rumour mill grinds into action lol Can't see that happening to be honest as Ged has gone the extra mile to get Scotty on board in the first place and has been instrumental with assistance for up to date equipment and they seem to have built up a very good relationship . Apart from being a Panthers asset who i'm sure they will be in no hurry to part with, but I'm sure Panthers would be interested in taking young Drew Kemp off witches in a swap deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just having a thought about last nights meeting Edinburgh, who of course own Cookie, must have been laughing when they agreed to let him race for Glasgow knowing he wouldn't be available for the derby league clash at Armadale and although being the highest averaged rider in the league the choice of guests would have been limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Can't see that happening to be honest as Ged has gone the extra mile to get Scotty on board in the first place and has been instrumental with assistance for up to date equipment and they seem to have built up a very good relationship . Apart from being a Panthers asset who i'm sure they will be in no hurry to part with, but I'm sure Panthers would be interested in taking young Drew Kemp off witches in a swap deal. Young Master Kemp seems to be the latest hot prospect. I just hope that he is given time to mature at a sensible pace and not too much pressure is put on him. Look forward to seeing him in action against Glasgow. Edited August 25, 2018 by cinderfella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, cinderfella said: Young Master Kemp seems to be the latest hot prospect. I just hope that he is given time to mature at a sensible pace and not too much pressure is put on him. Certainly one for the future , like yourself I hope he gets the correct guidance and remembers how to react to the needs of fans, club and most importantly not try and rush things as having the gift and being able to apply it correctly are two different things. Looks a fine prospect to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Even a towering talent like Robert Lambert needed five years to get to world-class from his NL debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: Even a towering talent like Robert Lambert needed five years to get to world-class from his NL debut. But the young Poles don't seem to need that time. Why is that I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, cinderfella said: Young Master Kemp seems to be the latest hot prospect. I just hope that he is given time to mature at a sensible pace and not too much pressure is put on him. Look forward to seeing him in action against Glasgow. Thats what happens when you follow the money, as opposed to where you would be better served for your future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Just now, cinderfella said: But the young Poles don't seem to need that time. Why is that I wonder? Track time, track time, track time and there are not enough options for that in the UK to speed up young riders progress. What a pity that Coventry was lost to the sport it would have been a superb place to build up as the National Speedway Training Centre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, cinderfella said: Just having a thought about last nights meeting Edinburgh, who of course own Cookie, must have been laughing when they agreed to let him race for Glasgow knowing he wouldn't be available for the derby league clash at Armadale and although being the highest averaged rider in the league the choice of guests would have been limited. I believe that when a rider is initially loaned to a club, that club are then able to subsequently re-loan the said rider to another club as a double up/down and they receive any subsequent loan fee. If I am correct, Glasgow would be dealing directly with Belle Vue, and Edinburgh would not be involved in the doubling down of their asset. I would also be surprised that Glasgow, who initiated the Cook deal, would not have been aware any fixture clashes with his GP schedule. BTW, as the result, turned out, Ben Barker netting 14 out of a possible 18, imo, was a decent guest replacement for the absent Cook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 hours ago, cinderfella said: Think the writing was on the cards from our first home meeting when Richie went through the tapes in ht 1 and Sarj was sent out to replace him BEFORE the team manager had made a decision on whether he was going off 15m or not. Need either Stewart Dickson (and I was never his greatest fan after way Ian Steel was treated) or Michael Max (one of the most knowledgeable guys in speedway) as team manager as current one is tactically naive to say least. I think you’ll find Michael Max is heavily involved on a tactical basis when it comes to team management both during and post Stewart’s tenure but hey, some guys on here seem to know about all the ins and outs behind the scenes or so they like to believe If only I had a £1 for every time the same 2/3 guys on here say “Glasgow’s management have a lot to answer for”/“a fan promoted to manage the team” etc usual nonsense with no basis for the accusations. The bottom line is, the likes of Harris, Worrall and Sarjeant have been significantly poorer than everyone expected this year. People saying we were wrong to let Richie go, his scores were shocking, he’s lost more than a point off his average. We gambled on keeping Harris and that’s not looking like paying off unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, cyclone said: I believe that when a rider is initially loaned to a club, that club are then able to subsequently re-loan the said rider to another club as a double up/down and they receive any subsequent loan fee. If I am correct, Glasgow would be dealing directly with Belle Vue, and Edinburgh would not be involved in the doubling down of their asset. I would also be surprised that Glasgow, who initiated the Cook deal, would not have been aware any fixture clashes with his GP schedule. BTW, as the result, turned out, Ben Barker netting 14 out of a possible 18, imo, was a decent guest replacement for the absent Cook. Agreed and that’s my understanding as well. The glasgow promotion were very aware of the clashes and signing the highest averaged rider in the league does allow an adequate guest to be secured. I’ve been happy with the Cook signing and him being absent last night did not hurt us at all, poor performances from Harris and the reserves along with, what would appear to be an unfit Greaves, cost us any chance of securing a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Solidmango said: I think you’ll find Michael Max is heavily involved on a tactical basis when it comes to team management both during and post Stewart’s tenure but hey, some guys on here seem to know about all the ins and outs behind the scenes or so they like to believe If only I had a £1 for every time the same 2/3 guys on here say “Glasgow’s management have a lot to answer for”/“a fan promoted to manage the team” etc usual nonsense with no basis for the accusations. The bottom line is, the likes of Harris, Worrall and Sarjeant have been significantly poorer than everyone expected this year. People saying we were wrong to let Richie go, his scores were shocking, he’s lost more than a point off his average. We gambled on keeping Harris and that’s not looking like paying off unfortunately. When I heard who had been appointed as co'manager pre -season I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. If anyone should have had the job, or the manager's job after Stewart resigned it was Michael. I recall him being able to quote every gate position from either column (something Vissing needed help with last night) and he is tactically aware and shrewd as well as knowledgeable as anyone I've known in my 50 years watching speedway. He would bleed red & white stripes but whether or not other commitments prevent him from taking on such a post I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Solidmango said: I think you’ll find Michael Max is heavily involved on a tactical basis when it comes to team management both during and post Stewart’s tenure but hey, some guys on here seem to know about all the ins and outs behind the scenes or so they like to believe Tone suggests that you do. By all means contribute to the debate, be good to get the rationale for many things from the inside. Fans frustration has boiled over this year, its only human to vent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidmango Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 minute ago, MD said: Tone suggests that you do. By all means contribute to the debate, be good to get the rationale for many things from the inside. Fans frustration has boiled over this year, its only human to vent it. Contrary to what people on here think, there is no major issue with team morale, a contrast to last years position when there was a total breakdown and that was during Stewart’s rein - not that I blame him for that, but I do have to laugh when people blame our poor form on the new team manager. I dont have an issue with people expressing opinions but 1 or 2 on here are constantly saying the same things with absolutely no evidence to back up their comments but I suppose that’s the issue with online forums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: Even a towering talent like Robert Lambert needed five years to get to world-class from his NL debut. No comment on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, Solidmango said: Contrary to what people on here think, there is no major issue with team morale, a contrast to last years position when there was a total breakdown and that was during Stewart’s rein - not that I blame him for that, but I do have to laugh when people blame our poor form on the new team manager. I dont have an issue with people expressing opinions but 1 or 2 on here are constantly saying the same things with absolutely no evidence to back up their comments but I suppose that’s the issue with online forums! He is a fan managing the team what is wrong with stating that fact, what evidence do you need ?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Solidmango said: Contrary to what people on here think, there is no major issue with team morale, a contrast to last years position when there was a total breakdown and that was during Stewart’s rein - not that I blame him for that, but I do have to laugh when people blame our poor form on the new team manager. I dont have an issue with people expressing opinions but 1 or 2 on here are constantly saying the same things with absolutely no evidence to back up their comments but I suppose that’s the issue with online forums! Evidence? Recent match vs Lakeside, one of the other contenders for a play-off sport and a team with two former Tigers that know Ashfield as well as anyone does. We had to prevent them from gaining even a single point to help our own cause yet he gave a reserve who had scored 1pt from three rides another ride while the other reserve had scored 7(+1) while the score was 36-23 with 5 heats to go which included their top 3 taking 7 rides. Lakeside could have overturned that gap and secured a point which at the end of season could have been the difference in either team qualifying. That's is evidence of tactical naivety in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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