Newcastle 2019

[ruffdiamond]

1 hour ago, leander said:

Any change would have to be done before the averages change irrespective of whether they are going up or down. The transfer deadline is before  the new averages come into effect.

Oh yeah, that's correct and I had forgotten about that.

Anyways will we just use this thread for the Redcar match t'morro, saves time on anyone bothering to start one 

A think it might be another home defeat, especially if it's on and, Eric Riss remembers how not to enter bend 3 if he hasn't gated.

Edited August 10, 2019 by ruffdiamond

[Justgotmecpc]

12 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Oh yeah, that's correct and I had forgotten about that.

Anyways will we just use this thread for the Redcar match t'morro, saves time on anyone bothering to start one 

A think it might be another home defeat, especially if it's on and, Eric Riss remembers how not to enter bend 3 if he hasn't gated.

Can't see it going ahead tomorrow.. I've just been to the dogs & tha paddling round.. 

[ruffdiamond]

13 minutes ago, pienpeesman said:

Can't see it going ahead tomorrow.. I've just been to the dogs & tha paddling round.. 

Well hopefully all them dogs might drink lots of the water ,,, but the weather's not looking good for the next 24 hrs .

[StevePark]

1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

Oh yeah, that's correct and I had forgotten about that.

Anyways will we just use this thread for the Redcar match t'morro, saves time on anyone bothering to start one 

A think it might be another home defeat, especially if it's on and, Eric Riss remembers how not to enter bend 3 if he hasn't gated.

Thread started!! 

 

[Justgotmecpc]

1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said:

Well hopefully all them dogs might drink lots of the water ,,, but the weather's not looking good for the next 24 hrs .

It is if you like rain 

[soupy]

Give me a D (can hear the crowd getting louder)

[IronScorpion]

but the "S" will be tomorrow. Everyone will have gone home.

[diamond@heart]

“As has been our downfall this season, we can't get everyone firing at full power all at once, and if all the lads were we'd be having some great wins to look back on, but again tonight the home side were just too strong for us and deserved their victory.”
Away-day frustration continued for Diamonds co-promoter Martin Phillips, as his side fell short in Friday’s local derby at Redcar.

 

If I had a £1 for everytime I've read this about Newcastle I'd be able to buy Mike Ashley out!!!

[scampispeedway]

I remember a time when Newcastle ran every week from at least the start of April until the end of September because there were 21 teams

in the league, along with 4 team qualifying meetings and K.O. cup and other friendly meetings that were needed to be run.

With the number of matches home and away now being cancelled due to rain, I can see even with only 11 clubs running that some league

matches may not be able to take place.

Edited August 13, 2019 by scampispeedway
Clarifying number of clubs in league

[Tsunami]

2 hours ago, scampispeedway said:

I remember a time when Newcastle ran every week from at least the start of April until the end of September because there were 21 teams

in the league, along with 4 team qualifying meetings and K.O. cup and other friendly meetings that were needed to be run.

With the number of matches home and away now being cancelled due to rain, I can see even with only 11 clubs running that some league

matches may not be able to take place.

Slight exaggeration with 21 teams as the Premier League as was was always self limited to 16 teams maximum. You are right though at the sort of season that was the norm in those days. 14/15 home league meetings, 4 League Cup Qualifies, a KC meeting or 2 or 3, at least one open challenge starter and a 4TT qualifier resulting in a home season of about 25 meetings. Some fitting in that meaning the pressure was on to get the season underway in the third week in March sometimes with snow?ice in the track 

[scampispeedway]

I've just checked the records of the various leagues that Newcastle have been in since I started watching in 1964 , in 1965 the First Year of the British League

there were 18 teams taking part, increasing to 19 the following year, when we re-opened in 1975 in the New National League there were 20 teams taking part that year.

So I don't think I exaggerated too much with my memory of 21 Teams at one time in the distant past.

Edited August 13, 2019 by scampispeedway
Altering the wording in my post to read clearer.

[Tsunami]

3 hours ago, scampispeedway said:

I've just checked the records of the various leagues that Newcastle have been in since I started watching in 1964 , in 1965 the First Year of the British League

there were 18 teams taking part, increasing to 19 the following year, when we re-opened in 1975 in the New National League there were 20 teams taking part that year.

So I don't think I exaggerated too much with my memory of 21 Teams at one time in the distant past.

I particularly specified  the Premier League that being the most recent league to compare with.

[JCookie]

16 hours ago, Tsunami said:

Slight exaggeration with 21 teams as the Premier League as was was always self limited to 16 teams maximum. You are right though at the sort of season that was the norm in those days. 14/15 home league meetings, 4 League Cup Qualifies, a KC meeting or 2 or 3, at least one open challenge starter and a 4TT qualifier resulting in a home season of about 25 meetings. Some fitting in that meaning the pressure was on to get the season underway in the third week in March sometimes with snow?ice in the track 

Premier League season of 2003 had 18 teams in it. Sadly, it's all been downhill since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Premier_League_speedway_season

[scampispeedway]

I never mentioned the Premier League at all, my posting was a general one not about the Premier League and the New National League eventually became the P.L.

whilst the British League was renamed to the Elite League.

The reason for my comments compared what I remembered that the meetings still went ahead if at all possible but recent weather is so much worse now over a longer

period and some clubs might have problems completing all their home league meetings 

Edited August 14, 2019 by scampispeedway
Altering the wording in my post to read clearer.

[Justgotmecpc]

On 8/13/2019 at 2:16 PM, scampispeedway said:

I remember a time when Newcastle ran every week from at least the start of April until the end of September because there were 21 teams

in the league, along with 4 team qualifying meetings and K.O. cup and other friendly meetings that were needed to be run.

With the number of matches home and away now being cancelled due to rain, I can see even with only 11 clubs running that some league

matches may not be able to take place.

Great seasons back then

[Pinny]

15 hours ago, JCookie said:

Premier League season of 2003 had 18 teams in it. Sadly, it's all been downhill since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Premier_League_speedway_season

Was about to say I remember 18 teams in 03. 

The British league was even in declines there then and both leagues were much stronger back then. 

Of course a few of the usuals will insist the second tier is now stronger than ever ... lol. Can you imagine the likes of Toft and Jorgensen as second heatleaders back in the days of teams having heatleader trios such as Smart, Watson and Iversen etc? Lol. 

BOTH the top and second tiers are absolutely nowhere near as strong as they once were .

[BWitcher]

1 hour ago, Pinny said:

Was about to say I remember 18 teams in 03. 

The British league was even in declines there then and both leagues were much stronger back then. 

Of course a few of the usuals will insist the second tier is now stronger than ever ... lol. Can you imagine the likes of Toft and Jorgensen as second heatleaders back in the days of teams having heatleader trios such as Smart, Watson and Iversen etc? Lol. 

BOTH the top and second tiers are absolutely nowhere near as strong as they once were .

Compared to Chris Harris, Nick Morris and Rory Schlein the trio you've quoted are extremely weak. 

Watson had a couple of decent seasons in a much larger league which of course inflates your average. Was a 5pter at best in top division, again in larger league.

Smart wasn't even as good as that. 8.39 in 2003, including bonus pts in an 18 team league? That's nothing special at all.

Iversen was a long way of being the rider he now is. Again 9.13 including bonus in an 18 team league, nothing that great.

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by BWitcher

[Robinh88]

2 hours ago, Pinny said:

Was about to say I remember 18 teams in 03. 

The British league was even in declines there then and both leagues were much stronger back then. 

Of course a few of the usuals will insist the second tier is now stronger than ever ... lol. Can you imagine the likes of Toft and Jorgensen as second heatleaders back in the days of teams having heatleader trios such as Smart, Watson and Iversen etc? Lol. 

BOTH the top and second tiers are absolutely nowhere near as strong as they once were .

45 point limit back then as well...

 

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

RCompared to Chris Harris, Nick Morris and Rory Schlein the trio you've quoted are extremely weak. 

Watson had a couple of decent seasons in a much larger league which of course inflates your average. Was a 5pter at best in top division, again in larger league.

Smart wasn't even as good as that. 8.39 in 2003, including bonus pts in an 18 team league? That's nothing special at all.

Iversen was a long way of being the rider he now is. Again 9.13 including bonus in an 18 team league, nothing that great.

 

You talk some garbage at times but youll obviously think your correct as usual however your not. 

Back in 03 and other years , heatleaders faced actual heatleaders in every race.  For instance in 2003 , our number 5 Watson would face Zagar , Harris and Sanchez and then Zagar and Harris in heat 13 . And then the nominated race . 

You cannot seriously tell me most riders riding as “heatleaders” now would of averaged the same or more than heatleaders 15 years ago?

Can you honestly say Thomas Jorgensen would of averaged 8 amongst the likes of Wilson, Stoney, Schott, Watson, Thorp, Harris, Coles etc ..... ? 

Most top PL riders whod make the full time transition to EL would only average around 5 in their debut seasons... Watson only rode one and a bit full time then dropped back down . His prime PL days were better than Scheiln has ever acheived in the same league.  2004 I think was his best PL year individually . 

The second tier now is pathetically weak compared to years gone by , I watched Pl racing every week from 99 to 2011 and the product , like the EL, was diluted year on year . 

Just looking at the updates sites , generally race times are the same now as they were in 2005. So in nearly 15 years , with most tracks becoming slicker and engines being tuned to a much better standard , times are still the same ? Why arent these better second tier riders hammering in much better race times than riders were 15 years ago? 

You take the top 15 averaged riders from a random year 15 ish years ago and compare them to the top 15 now, try telling me the current top 15 is better . If you do, your lying . 

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

RCompared to Chris Harris, Nick Morris and Rory Schlein the trio you've quoted are extremely weak. 

Watson had a couple of decent seasons in a much larger league which of course inflates your average. Was a 5pter at best in top division, again in larger league.

Smart wasn't even as good as that. 8.39 in 2003, including bonus pts in an 18 team league? That's nothing special at all.

Iversen was a long way of being the rider he now is. Again 9.13 including bonus in an 18 team league, nothing that great.

 

You talk some garbage at times but youll obviously think your correct as usual however your not. 

Back in 03 and other years , heatleaders faced actual heatleaders in every race.  For instance in 2003 , our number 5 Watson would face Zagar , Harris and Sanchez and then Zagar and Harris in heat 13 . And then the nominated race . 

You cannot seriously tell me most riders riding as “heatleaders” now would of averaged the same or more than heatleaders 15 years ago?

Can you honestly say Thomas Jorgensen would of averaged 8 amongst the likes of Wilson, Stoney, Schott, Watson, Thorp, Harris, Coles etc ..... ? 

Most top PL riders whod make the full time transition to EL would only average around 5 in their debut seasons... Watson only rode one and a bit full time then dropped back down . His prime PL days were better than Scheiln has ever acheived in the same league.  2004 I think was his best PL year individually . 

The second tier now is pathetically weak compared to years gone by , I watched Pl racing every week from 99 to 2011 and the product , like the EL, was diluted year on year . 

Just looking at the updates sites , generally race times are the same now as they were in 2005. So in nearly 15 years , with most tracks becoming slicker and engines being tuned to a much better standard , times are still the same ? Why arent these better second tier riders hammering in much better race times than riders were 15 years ago? 

You take the top 15 averaged riders from a random year 15 ish years ago and compare them to the top 15 now, try telling me the current top 15 is better . If you do, your lying .