ruffdiamond Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, screm said: Aaron Summers rode a few times for Wanda Krakow last season, all on Sunday`s which would seem to rule out a return to Newcastle for Aarnio. Is Aaron riding there next season, I would defo have him in replacing Tero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, screm said: Aaron Summers rode a few times for Wanda Krakow last season, all on Sunday`s which would seem to rule out a return to Newcastle for Aarnio. diamond@heart suggests (previous page) they were relegated last season and would be riding Saturday's in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Newcastle will run Second Tier of Speedway (unless one big league) Sunday still the preferred option But who knows? Regards THJ Correct, but George has already said Newcastle can't afford to run in a single league, as the more affluent teams will force up the expensive costs of all teams. Newcastle won't be the only ones as well. Difficulty is the more teams don't return, the higher chance of a single league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 19 hours ago, Tsunami said: Correct, but George has already said Newcastle can't afford to run in a single league, as the more affluent teams will force up the expensive costs of all teams. Newcastle won't be the only ones as well. Difficulty is the more teams don't return, the higher chance of a single league. Time the Championship was made an amateur league, riders riding speedway as a hobby and not a job,much smaller point money covering their costs. Will probably be just as entertaining, cannot get worse anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 hours ago, balderdash&piffle said: Time the Championship was made an amateur league, riders riding speedway as a hobby and not a job,much smaller point money covering their costs. Will probably be just as entertaining, cannot get worse anyway. But would smaller points money cover their costs? IMO the cost of bikes & maintaining them has spiralled and as far as I can see, the only folk making money out of speedway in the UK are equipment retailers & engine tuners etc. If it was to become an amateur league in which riding became a hobby, then fans must accept that the kit used would have to be less expensive to buy & maintain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 hours ago, cyclone said: But would smaller points money cover their costs? IMO the cost of bikes & maintaining them has spiralled and as far as I can see, the only folk making money out of speedway in the UK are equipment retailers & engine tuners etc. If it was to become an amateur league in which riding became a hobby, then fans must accept that the kit used would have to be less expensive to buy & maintain. Spot on, speedway has become an arms race. The top GP riders have a stable of bikes and a "team" behind them at every GP. That filters all the way down. Everybody has to have that "edge" or they are being left behind. Finding a way to limit these costs has to be the way to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 10 hours ago, cyclone said: But would smaller points money cover their costs? IMO the cost of bikes & maintaining them has spiralled and as far as I can see, the only folk making money out of speedway in the UK are equipment retailers & engine tuners etc. If it was to become an amateur league in which riding became a hobby, then fans must accept that the kit used would have to be less expensive to buy & maintain. My background in motorsport was Enduro, but in the days when everything had to be paid for by myself, I afforded it because I enjoyed it. I had to work my HOBBY around my full time employment. Time speedway riders and promoters in the lower levels realised this, and got back to basics, it is not a full time job, it is a hobby at this level. perhaps one tier being run at a professional level giving the amateurs something to strive for. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, balderdash&piffle said: My background in motorsport was Enduro, but in the days when everything had to be paid for by myself, I afforded it because I enjoyed it. I had to work my HOBBY around my full time employment. Time speedway riders and promoters in the lower levels realised this, and got back to basics, it is not a full time job, it is a hobby at this level. perhaps one tier being run at a professional level giving the amateurs something to strive for. The problems Speedway encounters are quite unique in the sense that many tracks are not available at weekends creating a lot of midweek fixtures which is something many with full time employment struggle with. I certainly agree that costs are spiralling and need to be countered but not 100% what all the answers are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Here you go and just for a bit of fun... and of course because its silly season... Starter for 10... No Newcastle AVE 2.50% (GB Reduction) 1 Jason Garrity 7.59 7.40 5 Tero Arrnio 6.83 6.83 2 Ashley Morris 5.58 5.44 3 Matthew Wethers 5.78 5.64 4 Paul Starke 5.66 5.52 6 Daniel Gappmaier 4.84 4.84 TOTAL 36.50 35.89 6 man team built to 36 points with GB riders getting a 2.5% reduction (and affordable) Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Here you go and just for a bit of fun... and of course because its silly season... Starter for 10... No Newcastle AVE 2.50% (GB Reduction) 1 Jason Garrity 7.59 7.40 5 Tero Arrnio 6.83 6.83 2 Ashley Morris 5.58 5.44 3 Matthew Wethers 5.78 5.64 4 Paul Starke 5.66 5.52 6 Daniel Gappmaier 4.84 4.84 TOTAL 36.50 35.89 6 man team built to 36 points with GB riders getting a 2.5% reduction (and affordable) Regards THJ Not really sure on how many of those would qualify for a 2.5% reduction ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Not really sure on how many of those would qualify for a 2.5% reduction ? 4 of them would qualify for any reduction being applied to British riders? In my little game in my head (sorry) Aarnio being Finnish and Gappmaier being Austrian are the two who wouldn't qualify for any reduction should that be the case for next season Regards THJ Edited November 9, 2018 by TotallyHonestJohn missed out key words 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Not really sure on how many of those would qualify for a 2.5% reduction ? None. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alan_Jones said: None. Thats what I thought as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: 4 of them would qualify for any reduction being applied to British riders? Aarnio being Finnish and Gappmaier being Austrian are the two who wouldn't qualify for any reduction should that be the case for next season Regards THJ I thought the reduction was applied for the first 3 seasons after NL, but that might not be the case any longer, or infact for next season. There may be lots of changes for next year, I haven't a clue what will be sorted at the AGM. Who's round it will be first, might lead to all types of chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Perhaps THJ is suggesting a new/revised approach for 2019..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: I thought the reduction was applied for the first 3 seasons after NL, but that might not be the case any longer, or infact for next season. There may be lots of changes for next year, I haven't a clue what will be sorted at the AGM. Who's round it will be first, might lead to all types of chaos No I am of the opinion that this season coming (2019) and due to the proposals being made that there will be an allowance applied to all British riders as in the non to distant past to encourage the signing of British riders 6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Perhaps THJ is suggesting a new/revised approach for 2019..... By lad your good I was typing the above when you posted this and yes you are correct Like I said in my original post and of course because its silly season i.e. pre AGM and just for a bit of fun Cheers Bruv you can play again that ruffdiamond is hard work and not getting with the programme In fact far to hard work this; so that's it Half Day Friday I'm "Balling Up" time for "Offski" Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: No I am of the opinion that this season coming (2019) and due to the proposals being made that there will be an allowance applied to all British riders as in the non to distant past to encourage the signing of British riders By lad your good I was typing the above when you posted this and yes you are correct Like I said in my original post and of course because its silly season i.e. pre AGM and just for a bit of fun Cheers Bruv you can play again that ruffdiamond is hard work and not getting with the programme In fact far to hard work this; so that's it Half Day Friday I'm "Balling Up" time for "Offski" Regards THJ THJ, well you and 'bruv' may be closer to the pulse than me, but I would not disagree with a reduction for British riders. 'Keep Britain British' n that, not sure if all would agree tho. Like I said, I've no idea what will come out of the AGM, hopefully its all positive things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: THJ, well you and 'bruv' may be closer to the pulse than me, but I would not disagree with a reduction for British riders. 'Keep Britain British' n that, not sure if all would agree tho. Like I said, I've no idea what will come out of the AGM, hopefully its all positive things. ruffdiamod Sorry for the misleading post I have assumed that there will be 6 man teams in 2019 I have assumed that there will be a build level of 36 points in 2019 I have assumed that there will be a general 2.5% reduction for all British riders in 2019 As the AGM has not happened yet you can assume rightly or wrongly what you want; 7 man teams to 50 build points, 5 man teams to 45 points, Newcastle will or wont run, no one else will run, everyone will run, one league; two leagues; League North and League South or a breakaway league? here's a daft one for you "Shut the whole of Speedway down for a season in the UK and reset the whole dam thing" get that on the Agenda and let all the "Guys" who milk Speedway, but never put anything back into the sport, have a tough year, and that's not the promoters more the likes of the engine tuners and the guys who sell the fuel and the parts, the Speedway Star let them report on Speedway without the British Leagues for a year, what do they put back into the sport? Make up what you want it is silly season at the moment however things should be much clearer by Wednesday evening on the 14th of November with a press release I would suggest on the BSPA web site sometime on the Thursday (or Friday). So whilst we wait in baited breath I thought I would post some nonsense on a "Slow News Day" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39633603 So as a German worker might say "Ich mach’ Feierabend" (Go on Google it) God bless and good night Regards THJ Edited November 9, 2018 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 THJ,,, I don't know much German, so I'll just assume it was rude ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: ruffdiamod Sorry for the misleading post I have assumed that there will be 6 man teams in 2019 I have assumed that there will be a build level of 36 points in 2019 I have assumed that there will be a general 2.5% reduction for all British riders in 2019 As the AGM has not happened yet you can assume rightly or wrongly what you want; 7 man teams to 50 build points, 5 man teams to 45 points, Newcastle will or wont run, no one else will run, everyone will run, one league; two leagues; League North and League South or a breakaway league? here's a daft one for you "Shut the whole of Speedway down for a season in the UK and reset the whole dam thing" get that on the Agenda and let all the "Guys" who milk Speedway, but never put anything back into the sport, have a tough year, and that's not the promoters more the likes of the engine tuners and the guys who sell the fuel and the parts, the Speedway Star let them report on Speedway without the British Leagues for a year, what do they put back into the sport? Make up what you want it is silly season at the moment however things should be much clearer by Wednesday evening on the 14th of November with a press release I would suggest on the BSPA web site sometime on the Thursday (or Friday). So whilst we wait in baited breath I thought I would post some nonsense on a "Slow News Day" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39633603 So as a German worker might say "Ich mach’ Feierabend" (Go on Google it) God bless and good night Regards THJ To be honest, you are probably correct. Speedway needs re-inventing from the bottom up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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