Sheffield 2019

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, 4thbender said:

I agree. Keep Todd and he'll improve.

Bringing back Josh Bates would be a big mistake IMO. He should be asked to prove his race fitness before he's included in the team - maybe a spell in the NL. By March 2019 he won't have sat on a bike for 18 months; with that length of inactivity (and a bad back) who knows if he can still hack it? I'd say let some other team take the risk. Including him in the 2018 team was the factor that started the rot this year. We don't want to make the same mistake twice (but uncle Damian might feel differently!)

Think your right regarding Bates,remember he also said he was jacking it all in before the season started and then changed his mind,big risk IMO 

[foamfence]

8 hours ago, Charlieboy said:

I would like to see either of these teams next year

Josh g

Zaine

Kyle

Kasper

proctor

Broc

Dimi

Or

Josh g

Zaine

Charles

Kasper

Kyle

Broc

Conner

if team average is 42-5 I think either might fit.loan Todd and Josh bates out

I think team average will be more like 32-5 next year.

[spin king]

Strength in depth

(1) Kyle Howarth 7.49

(2) Zaine Kennedy 5.20

(3) Ty Proctor 6.92

(4) Jake Allen 7.00

(5) Thomas Jorgensen 7.25

(6) Kasper Andersen 5.20

(7) Jack Smith 3.00

[cinderfella]

2 minutes ago, spin king said:

Strength in depth

(1) Kyle Howarth 7.49

(2) Zaine Kennedy 5.20

(3) Ty Proctor 6.92

(4) Jake Allen 7.00

(5) Thomas Jorgensen 7.25

(6) Kasper Andersen 5.20

(7) Jack Smith 3.00

Is this assuming their will still be a Premier League next year?

[Charlieboy]

Heard a rumour team average may be 36 !!!  If the averages are reduced then admission should come down ? Can't see that happening so that would be another nail in the speedway coffin. Surely they can't water the sport down anymore.

[cinderfella]

2 minutes ago, Charlieboy said:

Heard a rumour team average may be 36 !!!  If the averages are reduced then admission should come down ? Can't see that happening so that would be another nail in the speedway coffin. Surely they can't water the sport down anymore.

How in the name of...... can they average a team at 36? There are 90 points up for grabs in a match so common sense (something the ruling bodies obviously don't possess) say that should be 45 per team.
Over the years one of the many things that has annoyed me is the constant change each year in team make ups. When I first started going (50 years ago this month) kids all had their favourite riders and bought badges, rosettes etc with their pictures. Now a rider can be dumped at anytime and kids, who have spent their pocket money on stuff are left disappointed and having to spend on more.
I've also argued for years the season's average should be set at the winning's teams final average so the team can be kept together and other teams are encouraged to improve rather than diluting down. Yes I know that may incur more costs but some sort of wage limit has to be brought in. Let's face it Glasgow have obviously spent hard trying to win silverware but safe to say that has 'Bombed' so there are no guarantees lol

[Andrew]

If you replace Charles (8.21) with Zaine (5.20) and keep the other six current Tigers it adds up to 35.96.

Now there not the final averages,but its a guide to what a 36 point team could look like.

1.Kyle 7.49

2.James 4.88

3.Kasper 5.20

4.Zaine  5.20

5.Todd 5.76

6.Broc 4.00

7. Connor 3.43

 

 

 

 

[Charlieboy]

35 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

How in the name of...... can they average a team at 36? There are 90 points up for grabs in a match so common sense (something the ruling bodies obviously don't possess) say that should be 45 per team.
Over the years one of the many things that has annoyed me is the constant change each year in team make ups. When I first started going (50 years ago this month) kids all had their favourite riders and bought badges, rosettes etc with their pictures. Now a rider can be dumped at anytime and kids, who have spent their pocket money on stuff are left disappointed and having to spend on more.
I've also argued for years the season's average should be set at the winning's teams final average so the team can be kept together and other teams are encouraged to improve rather than diluting down. Yes I know that may incur more costs but some sort of wage limit has to be brought in. Let's face it Glasgow have obviously spent hard trying to win silverware but safe to say that has 'Bombed' so there are no guarantees lol

Well I've just done 58 years and agree with you.like I said that's what I heard Sunday at the championship riders .Its not decided but a possibility depending on the structure of the league.lets hope it's the usual points limit and we don't lose too many teams .

[cinderfella]

10 minutes ago, Charlieboy said:

Well I've just done 58 years and agree with you.like I said that's what I heard Sunday at the championship riders .Its not decided but a possibility depending on the structure of the league.lets hope it's the usual points limit and we don't lose too many teams .

Well with rumours (and only rumours even if coming from fans of the teams concerned) it would seem that at least two teams are wanting to drop down from the Premier League and one team in the Championship is considering the viability of continuing at any level

Now assuming that a current Championship team won the play-offs would they be happy to change their race night and possibly suffer the same consequences as Rye House with badly reduced crowds? I doubt it so I can see the only option being one upper league without GP riders, doubling up obviously () and racing on whatever night they chose.
So many things need sorted but I can't see that happening without an impartial independent ruling body.

Edited September 5, 2018 by cinderfella

[Moranboys]

i see on the redcar website that the bears promoter has lodged a complaint over the use of r/r for james shanes who was representing g.b in the world cup long track event.how petty.i wonder if he would have done the same had we not gained a point out of the meeting.for goodness sake and for the sake of the sport either us or the bears are going to finish bottom or next to bottom so is it that important.it,s been a poor league season for both teams and if you are so desperate to not finish bottom then its sad.the meeting at the ear last friday was a cracker and would have probably been less so if a junior would have had to be drafted in.so i am going to be petty now and say that i hope that we now win and that james returns and scores well and we win to really run it in.

[Charlieboy]

Let's hope they see sense for a change and make the right decisions for the sport and not their own clubs.

[Moranboys]

1 minute ago, Moranboys said:

i see on the redcar website that the bears promoter has lodged a complaint over the use of r/r for james shanes who was representing g.b in the world cup long track event.how petty.i wonder if he would have done the same had we not gained a point out of the meeting.for goodness sake and for the sake of the sport either us or the bears are going to finish bottom or next to bottom so is it that important.it,s been a poor league season for both teams and if you are so desperate to not finish bottom then its sad.the meeting at the ear last friday was a cracker and would have probably been less so if a junior would have had to be drafted in.so i am going to be petty now and say that i hope that we now win and that james returns and scores well and we win to really run it in.

e.w.r and rub.damn predictive text!

[cinderfella]

2 minutes ago, Moranboys said:

i see on the redcar website that the bears promoter has lodged a complaint over the use of r/r for james shanes who was representing g.b in the world cup long track event.how petty.i wonder if he would have done the same had we not gained a point out of the meeting.for goodness sake and for the sake of the sport either us or the bears are going to finish bottom or next to bottom so is it that important.it,s been a poor league season for both teams and if you are so desperate to not finish bottom then its sad.the meeting at the ear last friday was a cracker and would have probably been less so if a junior would have had to be drafted in.so i am going to be petty now and say that i hope that we now win and that james returns and scores well and we win to really run it in.

That's because Redcar saw one of the Tigers' fans saying BB should be banned from Owlerton altogether lol.
I'm afraid since Brian Havelock gave up the promotion at Redcar the new promotion seem to think meetings are won off the track after the result has been declared. 
Glasgow were subjected to it last year after the result was declared after the meeting was abandoned due to the curfew after the amount of time it took to fix the airfence and then attend to a rider suddenly needing attention. The fact that glasgow were 8pts up and had three unbeaten riders at that point didn't matter.

[RS50]

45 minutes ago, Andrew said:

If you replace Charles (8.21) with Zaine (5.20) and keep the other six current Tigers it adds up to 35.96.

Now there not the final averages,but its a guide to what a 36 point team could look like.

1.Kyle 7.49

2.James 4.88

3.Kasper 5.20

4.Zaine  5.20

5.Todd 5.76

6.Broc 4.00

7. Connor 3.43

 

 

 

 

That team looks very poor compared to the team that was originally declared for the start of this season. Considering we will finish bottom not very inspiring.

[cinderfella]

5 minutes ago, RS50 said:

That team looks very poor compared to the team that was originally declared for the start of this season. Considering we will finish bottom not very inspiring.

When you even get the editor of this weeks Star saying the sport is in trouble and it's time BSPA listened you know things are wrong.
If the team building average is dropped again the sport will be lucky if it lasts another few seasons and will as Matt Ford (!!!!) warned go to a semi-pro level.

[proud panther]

3 hours ago, Andrew said:

If you replace Charles (8.21) with Zaine (5.20) and keep the other six current Tigers it adds up to 35.96.

Now there not the final averages,but its a guide to what a 36 point team could look like.

1.Kyle 7.49

2.James 4.88

3.Kasper 5.20

4.Zaine  5.20

5.Todd 5.76

6.Broc 4.00

7. Connor 3.43

 

 

 

 

What an awful thought that speedway will be watered down to that standard.

[spin king]

Every end of season we have the rumour that  the points limit is going to be drastically reduced and every year it proves to be untrue.

And I see no reason why they would do now except if they decide to go for one league and have 6 man teams, but even then I think it would be reduced to around the 40 point mark.

[waytogo28]

It's much more likely to be two leagues. One as per Championship level and the other as per NL without any "superstars" ( those that ride abroad regularly ).

[IronScorpion]

Where does Lawlor come in your plans for 2019? He was signed then dropped but kept in the background for learning purposes. Will he be groomed, elsewhere, for a return in 2020.

Regarding the rumours(I have not heard them) of the limit being dropped to 36, still wrong in my eyes as it should be 42 based on 7 riders in each team riding 4 times equals 84 points, will this be due to 6 man teams with a possibility of a named squad/guest system.

[mac101]

36 plus 2 British reserves maybe