Sheffield 2019

[Haza]

2 hours ago, Tigerblade said:

Combination of both really.... They weren't being allowed access to the track until 6.30pm on Thursday due to the afternoon dog meetings, which is not what you'd call ideal.  Monday and Thursday were an issue because of the Premier fixed race nights, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday were out because of the Greyhounds, which left Wednesday evening, or the whole of Sunday. 

Thank you for that reply to my original question 

[jenga]

1 hour ago, bent billy said:

I think the bates family have done a great job at Sheffield, more trophies won in 6 years than the whole of the tigers history  People should back off or put the money where the mouth is, oh I forgot it is very easy to criticise when you have no financial stake in the club and advise how to run a club, congratulations to the management over the past 5 years for the hard graft that has been done

its a forum , fans are entitled to their say . some fans have great COMmEnTS  about HOW speedway should be run . maybe its time to sit down and mull some of those COMmEnTS over .clubs and management get tied up in their own bubble at times . 

dont worry tho , you will be in good company in the N.L.

[OdsalBoy]

18 hours ago, Charlieboy said:

 

If the rubbish does hit the fan and the doors close then i think a farewell meeting is a MUST. Here's an idea.

Sheffield Star Select : Carl Stonehewer, Lee Complin, Simon Stead, Facundo Albin, Sean Wilson, Simon Cartwright, Matt Cambridge.

VS

Sheffield Tigers: Danny King, Drew Kemp, Tyron Proctor, Josh MacDonald, Kyle Howarth, Broc Nicol, Zaine Kennedy

 

 

[Andrew]

2 hours ago, bent billy said:

 more trophies won in 6 years than the whole of the tigers history  

Mr Machin won far more,or are we air brushing his ownership of the Tigers?

Mr Machin and various co Promotors.(19)

2x League Championships (1999,2002)

2xFours   (1999,2000)

2x Young Shields (1999,2002)

1 KO Cup  (2002)

1 Premier Trophy (2001)

1 Pairs Title (2010)

1 Premiership Trophy (2000)

6 Plrc Winners  (Sean Wilson (3) Sam Ermolenko,Andre Compton,Ricky Ashworth)

3 U21 Winners (Simon Stead (2) Ben Wilson)

Plus the Prowlers Titles in the CL

 

The Bates/Mr Mole Promotion.(8)

1X League Title (2017)

2x Pairs  (2017,2018)

2 Plrc (Simon Stead)

2 U21 (Josh Bates)

1 U19 (Josh Bates)

Still time to add to the list,starting on Sunday,hopefully!

 

[Speedtiger]

1 hour ago, OdsalBoy said:

If the rubbish does hit the fan and the doors close then i think a farewell meeting is a MUST. Here's an idea.

Sheffield Star Select : Carl Stonehewer, Lee Complin, Simon Stead, Facundo Albin, Sean Wilson, Simon Cartwright, Matt Cambridge.

VS

Sheffield Tigers: Danny King, Drew Kemp, Tyron Proctor, Josh MacDonald, Kyle Howarth, Broc Nicol, Zaine Kennedy

 

 

I hope it doesn’t come to close but promoters up and down the country are now paying a high price to keep speedway going. Ok a lot of the problems if not all are there own making but the way things are going it will bankrupt some. 

The whole sport is in a tight mess. Very depressing. SO WHICH CLUBS NEXT...? 

[4thbender]

7 hours ago, Speedtiger said:

Another club joins the long  ‘For Sale’ list...I think there’s no chance of getting a good profitable sale as the Bates have run the Tigers down. Maybe the clown Chapman or numpty Godfrey will take over....God help us! Bring back NM? 

Don't know where you get your ideas, but you couldn't be further from the truth in suggesting the Bates family have run the club down. We've been greatly blessed at Owlerton down the years with having promoters who have done the club and the city proud; from Frank Varey through to Neil Machin and latterly the Bates family we have been lucky to have promoters who have placed the interests of the club as first priority. People like me have criticised specific decisions (which, as paying punters, we are entitled to do) but we have never doubted the promoters' commitment to the wellbeing of the Sheffield Tigers riders and fans.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the legions of numpties on the BSPA who in recent years have made decisions to feather their own nests regardless of the impact on the sport as a whole, and whose ineptitude has got the sport into the mess it's now in.

[Tigerblade]

1 hour ago, Andrew said:

Mr Machin won far more,or are we air brushing his ownership of the Tigers?

 

 

Some people would like to, that's for sure..... but had it not been for him, we'd have gone years ago. 

[OdsalBoy]

Shame Roman Abramovich doesnt like a bit of speedway.

[Wee Eck]

30 minutes ago, 4thbender said:

Don't know where you get your ideas, but you couldn't be further from the truth in suggesting the Bates family have run the club down. We've been greatly blessed at Owlerton down the years with having promoters who have done the club and the city proud; from Frank Varey through to Neil Machin and latterly the Bates family we have been lucky to have promoters who have placed the interests of the club as first priority. People like me have criticised specific decisions (which, as paying punters, we are entitled to do) but we have never doubted the promoters' commitment to the wellbeing of the Sheffield Tigers riders and fans.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the legions of numpties on the BSPA who in recent years have made decisions to feather their own nests regardless of the impact on the sport as a whole, and whose ineptitude has got the sport into the mess it's now in.

I thought Damien Bates had been on Management Committee for the last two of three years? Is he then one of the “numpties on the BSPA”?

[4thbender]

2 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I thought Damien Bates had been on Management Committee for the last two of three years? Is he then one of the “numpties on the BSPA”?

One sane voice in a cacophony of baloney.

[Wee Eck]

3 minutes ago, 4thbender said:

One sane voice in a cacophony of baloney.

I bet Scunthorpe say the same about Rob Godfrey and Leicester about Neil Machin. I maybe can’t say the same for the Premiership with Keith Chapman of Kings Lynn, Colin Pratt of Peterborough (owned by Keith Chapman) and the reserve member being Chris Louis of Ipswich (owned by Keith Chapman). That’s proper democracy for you  

[jenga]

3 hours ago, OdsalBoy said:

If the rubbish does hit the fan and the doors close then i think a farewell meeting is a MUST. Here's an idea.

Sheffield Star Select : Carl Stonehewer, Lee Complin, Simon Stead, Facundo Albin, Sean Wilson, Simon Cartwright, Matt Cambridge.

VS

Sheffield Tigers: Danny King, Drew Kemp, Tyron Proctor, Josh MacDonald, Kyle Howarth, Broc Nicol, Zaine Kennedy

 

 

that looks like the only team sheffield will beat @ home in 2019 !

[cityrebel]

57 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I bet Scunthorpe say the same about Rob Godfrey and Leicester about Neil Machin. I maybe can’t say the same for the Premiership with Keith Chapman of Kings Lynn, Colin Pratt of Peterborough (owned by Keith Chapman) and the reserve member being Chris Louis of Ipswich (owned by Keith Chapman). That’s proper democracy for you  

Democracy is a dirty word in this country at the moment. Why should speedway be any different.

[Lenny Lion]

20 hours ago, Cupidstunt said:

i take it you have inside info on the financials at leicester, the crowds ive seen this year there only been twice to the berwick and redcar meeting they did not look good, but to be fair nobody in speedway are getting crowds

You don’t need to have the inside info on the finances of Leicester to know they make money from Leicester.

 

They pay a flat yearly fee for lease of the stadium for 25 years regardless if its used once or a hundred times a year. 

They have council permission to use the track 7 days a week for practise but not allowed to run events on weekdays until after 6pm & anytime on weekends.

 

With the above in mind they hire the track out at No cost to the Bates no medics or track curator those cost extra  so there is great profit from track hire & bear in mind this happens a minimum once a week where the track is hired.

 

The crowds at Leicester are down there is no denying that but I would still say they are better then most tracks I have been to this year & certainly more then was at Somerset last night.  The Berwick crowd was low purely because it was a late arranged Sunday match on Fathers day I know a good few that didn’t go for both reasons .

[Cupidstunt]

4 hours ago, Lenny Lion said:

You don’t need to have the inside info on the finances of Leicester to know they make money from Leicester.

 

They pay a flat yearly fee for lease of the stadium for 25 years regardless if its used once or a hundred times a year. 

They have council permission to use the track 7 days a week for practise but not allowed to run events on weekdays until after 6pm & anytime on weekends.

 

With the above in mind they hire the track out at No cost to the Bates no medics or track curator those cost extra  so there is great profit from track hire & bear in mind this happens a minimum once a week where the track is hired.

 

The crowds at Leicester are down there is no denying that but I would still say they are better then most tracks I have been to this year & certainly more then was at Somerset last night.  The Berwick crowd was low purely because it was a late arranged Sunday match on Fathers day I know a good few that didn’t go for both reasons .

i think your wrong, i know they have medics at practices, and a track curator there.

 

[Lenny Lion]

18 minutes ago, Cupidstunt said:

i think your wrong, i know they have medics at practices, and a track curator there.

 

You are correct They provide a medic & track curator when they run their own training schools because they have to, i was referring  to private track hire days , The club will provide them if you wish but that is at extra cost it doesn’t eat into The Bates profit from the track hire.

[Halifaxtiger]

I think Sheffield have a perfect storm situation. The team was  built for a title challenge and probably isn't cheap but it has underperformed, particularly at home. The presentation is poor and, in my experience, the  complaints about the track are fully justified (and I don't accept that afternoon racing is to blame- Belle Vue is just as good with 12pm start times). Throw in a change of race day and its little wonder attendances have been bad.

[spin king]

46 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

I think Sheffield have a perfect storm situation. The team was  built for a title challenge and probably isn't cheap but it has underperformed, particularly at home. The presentation is poor and, in my experience, the  complaints about the track are fully justified (and I don't accept that afternoon racing is to blame- Belle Vue is just as good with 12pm start times). Throw in a change of race day and its little wonder attendances have been bad.

Disagree with the presentation of the meeting, I think that actually has prove a big improvement, meetings have run far more smoother, and quicker than in the past.

Comparing to Belle Vue, it a tad unfair for instance what sort of access does the track staff have to track, my guess it is 24/ 7, as I don't think that the stadium is used for anything else other than speedway, so they can work on the track far more.

For me the racing and track have improved for the later start, still could be better admittedly, but there is an improvement, the 4.00pm start for just does not work, personally I think that things would have been even better with a 6.30pm start, but that would have not suited the family orientated crowd that the promotion was trying to attract.        

[Andrew]

I do wonder whether a mix of Sunday afternoons and Wednesday evenings would have been worth trying,rather than the whole scale switch to Sunday. Wednesday isn't a dog day so you would have no problem getting the track ready etc.

[Moranboys]

once again our once great sport in the doldrums.the b.s.p.a totally ruining the sport.rules over the years all over the place.a promotion doing their utmost to promote during close season to try and attract new supporters.our beloved isa turn terracing ripped apart for the benefit of mr allen.a team not performing as expected.track not up to scratch, on the whole poor racing and now the club up for sale.hope and prey now that someone takes us elite so that we get our rightful race night back and enjoy top flight speedway as this is the only racing that the b.s.p.a seem interested in.sheffield have too much of a heritage to be allowed to fold but maybe this is the signal for the end of league racing as we know it.hope not.only time will tell