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39 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

Which is why their valuations are ludicrous!  Someone mentioned £500K for Poole - for what?  The rights to promote speedway in that area? It only takes one rider to challenge the asset system for it to be deemed illegal (and therefore no value in club asset terms)

Said a while ago the riders are worth virtually nothing as they can decide to stop riding or just ride abroad or pack the sport in due to an injury.  So the value is a couple of tractors etc and the shale on the track plus a bit of goodwill for the clubs name.  The only other value would be if the club owned its track or a minor amount if leased.

I can see if one club wishes to pay another for the use of a rider they had trained up then fine but they do not have an "asset". 

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20 hours ago, orion said:

Quite ..you would think that Phil would have had better things to do than  pick up on a minor choice  of words .

Many on here pick up on less, including you.

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17 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

ASSETS have no legal basis. A rider without a contract is a free agent. In Poland if a club wants to sign a rider under contract to another track a transfer fee could be involved. But if he has no contract then he can sign for who he wants. 

So when Somerset wanted Chris Holder for the 2018 season, there where reports that Ford wouldn't loan him, and that he said they would have to buy him, he wanted £ 20k. So in fact Ford couldn't do that. Is that correct ?. 

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9 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

So when Somerset wanted Chris Holder for the 2018 season, there where reports that Ford wouldn't loan him, and that he said they would have to buy him, he wanted £ 20k. So in fact Ford couldn't do that. Is that correct ?. 

Legally.. but it's all a game of favors.. 

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9 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

So when Somerset wanted Chris Holder for the 2018 season, there where reports that Ford wouldn't loan him, and that he said they would have to buy him, he wanted £ 20k. So in fact Ford couldn't do that. Is that correct ?. 

Exactly but we were going to use him I think but who knows how it works ?

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As a speedway fan who also follows football, I am always amazed that this mysterious 'asset' system remains in speedway. There was a time (not so long ago) when football clubs owned player's registrations, and even at the end of a player's contract could stop a player from playing for someone else, unless a transfer fee was paid between the clubs. This all changed, of course, with what became known as the 'Bosman' ruling by the European court. A Belgian player got his lawyers to argue (successfully) that when his contract with a particular club came to an end he should be free to seek new employment wherever he wished. These days, transfer fees are only paid between football clubs for players who wish to move while they are still under contract. I would suggest it would only take one speedway rider with a decent lawyer to bring this system to an end. 

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12 hours ago, ray c said:

I just think if your not going to use a rider how can you stop him riding elsewhere and demanding a loan fee ?

you can't. Sooner or later this will be a court case. Assets are a farce, there's no such thing in reality. When a contract runs out a worker can do what he wants and no court would deny this

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1 hour ago, ch958 said:

you can't. Sooner or later this will be a court case. Assets are a farce, there's no such thing in reality. When a contract runs out a worker can do what he wants and no court would deny this

Probably before it runs out, given there is no minimum salary and seems employer can terminate at any time for any reason, so presume rider can too?

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2 hours ago, waiheke1 said:

Probably before it runs out, given there is no minimum salary and seems employer can terminate at any time for any reason, so presume rider can too?

Of course, he is self employed.

I always have a chuckle when people get their knickers in a twist when a rider chooses a Polish League fixture over the Elite League.

Rider is their own boss and can choose whatever pleases them. 

 

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30 minutes ago, theblueboy said:

Of course, he is self employed.

I always have a chuckle when people get their knickers in a twist when a rider chooses a Polish League fixture over the Elite League.

Rider is their own boss and can choose whatever pleases them. 

 

BUT they must also adhere to the terms of their various contracts

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17 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

So when Somerset wanted Chris Holder for the 2018 season, there where reports that Ford wouldn't loan him, and that he said they would have to buy him, he wanted £ 20k. So in fact Ford couldn't do that. Is that correct ?. 

Don't you just wait till March 1st when any rider not being used is fair game? Seem to recall this precedent being set by some club or other four or five years back.

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3 hours ago, Booey boy said:

Poole

You are rather a bitter bunch on here arnt you. Still keep chomping, only another 5 months til the season starts. :party:

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Any sign of the big Lego trucks yet ?  Not being sarcy by the way, failing that anyone nearby able to take some pics of the pegged-out new track shape.  When Hull returend in 1995 I bunked off college several times to have a look, watched the marking out of the track shape, removing turf, etc  and <<family forum mode: on>> forgot my flipping, blinking camera each and every blooming time.  Still passed my City & Guilds and enjoyed 11 years of speedway so it was (mostly) ok....

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