Mimmo Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 hours ago, GiveusaB said: If this League doesn't have a future then I'd seriously be worried about the Premier League ? I've not seen one Premier League meeting this season that's been as good as some of the NL meetings I've seen ? Yes, they're ten times quicker, but nowhere near as entertaining ....imo Couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 5 hours ago, GiveusaB said: I think one thing I've learnt to accept with third tier racing is.......change your expectancy levels? instead of 'expecting' to see neck/neck fast/furious racing (although there is some of that from time to time) I go with the anticipation of seeing a bright young talent coming through ? I'd love to see Jason Doyle ride week in week out, but it aint much exciting when he's half a lap ahead ? I get more enjoyment from watching Leon Flint develop......Tom Brennan develop.....Drew Kemp develop etc etc etc......yes it's slower, but less predictable and offers value for money ! imo Like I say, it takes some adjusting (3rd tier racing) but if you can take it for what it is? then it's quite satisfying from an entertainment spectacle. Ive enjoyed the National League the past 3 or so seasons and like you its been a pleasure to see the development of some of the young riders but for me I miss the likes of Ben Barker, Josh Auty, Nico Covatti flinging it in the dirt close to the fence. I dont want Premiership because it all ended in tears last time in 2014 but I think a move up a league would be a good thing. We see Tom Bacon winning by half a lap already and I don't necessary think you get better racing, you get good and bad races in any league. We have had alot of success in NL and its been very enjoyable but its time to move on, just the only question for me is would the crowds sustain a higher level of speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Brummie Kev said: Ive enjoyed the National League the past 3 or so seasons and like you its been a pleasure to see the development of some of the young riders but for me I miss the likes of Ben Barker, Josh Auty, Nico Covatti flinging it in the dirt close to the fence. I dont want Premiership because it all ended in tears last time in 2014 but I think a move up a league would be a good thing. We see Tom Bacon winning by half a lap already and I don't necessary think you get better racing, you get good and bad races in any league. We have had alot of success in NL and its been very enjoyable but its time to move on, just the only question for me is would the crowds sustain a higher level of speedway. I must admit, the Tony Mole farewell meeting last season reminded me of the 'Barker' fence riding days Peter Kildemand was another one that scared the life out of me when he hit the bends at PB I agree with your post about moving up. My posts are merely pointing out the positive sides of NL racing? I'm just grateful to the Masons for our continued existence.....I have a feeling that 'they're' business men and will want us to progress . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 You can all be sure that the 2 Top Leagues will have no consideration for the NL at there AGM, They will try and sort them selves out the the NL will be left with what’s left, The BSPA give virtually no thought to the NL, I’ve heard by good authority that they “Forgot” about the 4TT and that’s why it’s not taking place this season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 There must be a place for a training ground for young inexperienced riders. unfortunately some teams are desperate to win the league and have to many experienced riders to gain an advantage and pay too much for them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 Don’t forget the NL is a Business just as the other leagues, if you don’t have a competitive team the fans don’t come and you go out of Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 May be next season the 'League'; matches should take priority and be completed before a meaningless KOC/National Trophy match ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: May be next season the 'League'; matches should take priority and be completed before a meaningless KOC/National Trophy match ? Wish i could find the threads / posts about this from pre-season. But 100% agree. League matches first, get them completed and those that have hosted all their home fixtures by an agreed cut off are then able to enter the other competitions, if not there would still be X number of weeks to prioritise the completion of league fixtures. That way we might have a chance of the genuine top 4 being the top 4 and prevent the ridiculous post play off date matches where blatant average manipulation occurs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted August 21, 2018 Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/20/2018 at 7:27 PM, GiveusaB said: I must admit, the Tony Mole farewell meeting last season reminded me of the 'Barker' fence riding days Peter Kildemand was another one that scared the life out of me when he hit the bends at PB I agree with your post about moving up. My posts are merely pointing out the positive sides of NL racing? I'm just grateful to the Masons for our continued existence.....I have a feeling that 'they're' business men and will want us to progress . Totally agree with you, The Tony Mole farewell was for me the most enjoyable meeting of 2017. Good to see some old faces and say goodbye to a man that resurrected the sport in Birmingham. Impressed with what David and Peter Mason have done so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 I think many clubs like to use the early season Trophy and challenge matches to test out their new riders and let their more experienced members settle in and sort out their bikes. So starting from the very beginning with important league matches will not seem too attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, East End Fan said: I think many clubs like to use the early season Trophy and challenge matches to test out their new riders and let their more experienced members settle in and sort out their bikes. So starting from the very beginning with important league matches will not seem too attractive. They can always book themselves into Scunthorpe and test their bikes there pre-season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, East End Fan said: I think many clubs like to use the early season Trophy and challenge matches to test out their new riders and let their more experienced members settle in and sort out their bikes. So starting from the very beginning with important league matches will not seem too attractive. it might not seem more attractive to clubs but it would for fans. The chance of some unpredictable results is something the league as a whole is craving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Nothing wrong with a couple of local challenge meetings to blow off the cobwebs....but surely riders don't need 8/9 meaningless cup fixtures? Besides.....some riders are doubling/trebling up and a lot of the reserves are doing extra practice sessions as and when ? Let's get straight in to the league encounters by mid-April ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/21/2018 at 9:52 AM, GiveusaB said: May be next season the 'League'; matches should take priority and be completed before a meaningless KOC/National Trophy match ? I don't understand these other fixtures being called "meaningless" I'd want my team to win every competition they enter! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 National Trophy is a farce....have you seen Cradley's line-up??? They can't use 2 of their riders coz they're in the opposing side in the Final ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, GiveusaB said: National Trophy is a farce....have you seen Cradley's line-up??? They can't use 2 of their riders coz they're in the opposing side in the Final ??? See your point, however.., Lots of meetings run each week with riders in opposition who have rode for the other team in attendance during the season on an 'ad hoc' basis... It is just the way British Speedway thinks it can run itself and be successful... The only way to watch the Sport over here now is to suspend reality, collude with those who run it, and on each side of the safety fence pretend it's authentic... Completely ridiculous and ludicrous in equal measure, but it is what it is... Edited September 2, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 Mikebv makes a good point if you look at it in the simplest terms. however, we must consider that all of the riders in the National League are at best semi-professional, many are just out of school and rely on parents taking time off work to carry them to meetings, and, of course, we suffer a large number of injuries. All of this means that teams have riders missing on many occasions. So, what is the alternative to the present system of guests and/or r/r ? :Personally I can't think of one unless you allow European riders into the league on an ad hoc basis to be used as and when required to cover absences....but, frankly, I doubt it would work...would be against the ethics of the league as a starting place for bright young Brits......and would cost far too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, East End Fan said: Mikebv makes a good point if you look at it in the simplest terms. however, we must consider that all of the riders in the National League are at best semi-professional, many are just out of school and rely on parents taking time off work to carry them to meetings, and, of course, we suffer a large number of injuries. All of this means that teams have riders missing on many occasions. So, what is the alternative to the present system of guests and/or r/r ? :Personally I can't think of one unless you allow European riders into the league on an ad hoc basis to be used as and when required to cover absences....but, frankly, I doubt it would work...would be against the ethics of the league as a starting place for bright young Brits......and would cost far too much money. I think in the 3rd Tier 'sharing riders' amongst teams in the same league should be seen as acceptable as it should really be about track time with a 'cursory nod' to there being some tangible reward at the end of the Season by way of a Trophy... Something akin to kids Sunday League Football where, at its youngest age groups, the competition takes second place to the amount of 'game time' it's competitors get.. Winning is good, and gives an attainment standard, but development of the individual is the key success measure that is followed... When you go into a 'Pro League' though, that is when it should follow the 'proper sporting ethos' that is universally recognised around the globe... (And as Sweden and Poland show, it is quite possible to be achieved)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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