Jump to content
British Speedway Forum

German GP Teterow Saturday September 22nd


Recommended Posts

9 hours ago, ColinMills said:

of course, I liked the idea of going in a stadium, with all riders starting level. of course we could all pick no-hopers in the field. (except jerzy of course), he shocked everybody. yes, agree, riders became out of contention by half time. consistency can win you the world title now, but you still needed consistency in the old system too, you didn't just appear in the final. I don't disagree with you in what you say at all, its just a preference. I prefer speedway in the 70s, I don't think it was better quality, theres loads of factors, but again it may be a generation thing 

Why not have a Grand Prix like we have and an individual World Champion like we used to have . Then everybody would be happy. 

Darts have both

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Your argument makes no sense at all I'm afraid.

In the one offs, after a couple of rides over half the field are out of contention.. after three rides, even more. They didn't have to 'chase' anything.. and often didn't. 

Care to explain how the format favours 'certain' riders? You mean the ones scoring the most pts? 

On the other hand. It's quite farcical that a rider scores say 5 pts less than another rider over 5 rides, but then scrapes into the semis and ends up on the rostrum. where the other rider bombs out at the semi stage. So you have the ridicules situation, where the rider who has scored the most points is not declared the winner!!  

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Totally wrong about wildcards.Think riders were even given byes into the actual world finals.And some riders only had to do 1 or 2 rounds whilst others 4,5 or6

My recollection is that the only riders every automatically seeded to the final were the defending champions and that only applied for a few years in the 50's. That hardly compares to the top 8 now automatically qualifying in the GP's. 

You may be right about the number of qualifying rounds although again it isn't my recollection, perhaps you can provide some details.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Aces51 said:

My recollection is that the only riders every automatically seeded to the final were the defending champions and that only applied for a few years in the 50's. That hardly compares to the top 8 now automatically qualifying in the GP's. 

You may be right about the number of qualifying rounds although again it isn't my recollection, perhaps you can provide some details.

Well how did the Polish riders qualify for the 1973 final?Swedish riders did have qualifiers for some of their finals,but how many meetings did they ride?Whereas how many meetings did some of the continental riders do or some British(Australian/NZ)riders do when the final wasn’t at Wembley

Plus I was answering a post that said there were no wc’s and you have confirmed there were,no matter how short the period was

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, tyler42 said:

On the other hand. It's quite farcical that a rider scores say 5 pts less than another rider over 5 rides, but then scrapes into the semis and ends up on the rostrum. where the other rider bombs out at the semi stage. So you have the ridicules situation, where the rider who has scored the most points is not declared the winner!!  

 

 

No it isn't farcical at all. Not in the tiniest bit.

Next you'll be telling us how you were watching a GP in the pub and the whole pub fell down laughing at the situation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, teijahn said:

Getting female commentators out of a (man's) sport (trackside as well) that they have no competitive experience in would be a real good start.  There are enough good ex riders about whose knowledge and experience give them an insight to track conditions and racing that could enable the bimbo like questions and opinions to be replaced with intelligent comment. 

Natalie Quirk is at least as good and probably a better and more knowledgeable presenter than almost all of her male predecessors. I'll agree that most of the pits interviews are bordering on banal, but who really cares if it is a male or female interviewer? All I want is sensible questions from someone who knows what they are talking about  

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

I didn't. You did in your original xenophobic rant about Aussies some years ago.

 

no i didn't .I have never done that ,more crap you have made up . 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, tyler42 said:

Why would i be watching the GP in pub. Very strange comment. 

nothing unusual here .Bwitcher inventing something  to suit his argument .  now forever and a day he'll be posting the same invention  as if you said you were in the pub yourself

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, adonis said:

there you go again using world titles as a yard stick , and as for first turns  what have you been watching because you have completely missed  the master first turn bully  Doyle , 

You'll struggle to find any mention of the World Titles making him the best British rider in my post. Best British rider is what I said and what I meant, irrespective of World titles although you don't get them by being lucky in a GP series.

Woffinden is a much better first turn rider, Doyle is very hard and usually comes out of it well when it is 50/50, Woffinden has the skill to come out of it well when behind whether that's his bad gate or the track. I rate Doyle very highly when it comes to determination and hard riding and like watching him ride but he's a little behind a couple of the other top guys when it comes to skill in my opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Vince said:

You'll struggle to find any mention of the World Titles making him the best British rider in my post. Best British rider is what I said and what I meant, irrespective of World titles although you don't get them by being lucky in a GP series.

Woffinden is a much better first turn rider, Doyle is very hard and usually comes out of it well when it is 50/50, Woffinden has the skill to come out of it well when behind whether that's his bad gate or the track. I rate Doyle very highly when it comes to determination and hard riding and like watching him ride but he's a little behind a couple of the other top guys when it comes to skill in my opinion.

So you do, actually think Woffinden is the best british rider ever ................ well  leave it that then

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, adonis said:

So you do, actually think Woffinden is the best british rider ever ................ well  leave it that then

Is he the most exciting? Probably not, that would be Loram or PC or Morton or Lee

Is the most naturally gifted rider? Again probably not

Does he work hard, train hard, mentally prepare himself the right way? 100%

Does he give 100% dedication to being the best he can be? Absolutely

 

And yes of course we can in some way use world titles as a yardstick be foolish not to.

I cant stand Havvy never have done but those who say he was lucky must realise that in 1992 he was the most dominating rider of the year.......do i think he is as good as say Lee, Collins, or Loram, all one time winners then no i dont.

Would the achivements of Havvy rank above Carter and Morton and Jessup then in my opinion yes they would.

Who was better to watch and had more ability, Jimmy White or Steve Davis?  Jimmy White did..........but Steve Davis won far more

My list of the top ten english riders ive seen ride would be as follows:

1. WOFFINDEN

2. PETER COLLINS

3. MICHAEL LEE

4. MARK LORAM

5. GARY HAVELOCK

6.KENNY CARTER

7. DAVE JESSUP

8. SIMON WIGG

9. KELVIN TATUM

10. CHRIS MORTON, JOE SCREEN & SCOTT NICHOLLS (all purely on being talented motorcyclists and in Nicholls case 7 times British Champ)

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, mickthemuppet said:

Why not have a Grand Prix like we have and an individual World Champion like we used to have . Then everybody would be happy. 

Darts have both

I think you are misunderstanding things a little; there is no "Grand Prix" system. There is a single knockout tournament called the "World Grand Prix" that is a PDC major alongside the World Championship and the World Matchplay.

Steve

Edited by chunky
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, ColinMills said:

I don't recall riders given byes into the final? not saying you are wrong, just don't remember that

It was never applied consistently, but it did happen on occasion.

Steve

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Well how did the Polish riders qualify for the 1973 final?Swedish riders did have qualifiers for some of their finals,but how many meetings did they ride?Whereas how many meetings did some of the continental riders do or some British(Australian/NZ)riders do when the final wasn’t at Wembley

Plus I was answering a post that said there were no wc’s and you have confirmed there were,no matter how short the period was

You've also confirmed that the wild cards were virtually non existent, possibly at most 4 or 5 in over 40 years when compared to the numbers in the GP's. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Aces51 said:

You've also confirmed that the wild cards were virtually non existent, possibly at most 4 or 5 in over 40 years when compared to the numbers in the GP's. 

It doesn’t matter.Someone was arguing wild cards didn’t exist.Both you and I know they did

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, JCookie said:

Fair play, not a fan of Woffinden but he's streets ahead of anyone else this year. Just a shame to see him so nonchalant about winning it, he's virtually guaranteed yet another world title and he seems like he couldn't care less.

He cares immensely he also knows there is still work to be done you don't count your chickens

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Privacy Policy