mickthemuppet Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 9 hours ago, ColinMills said: of course, I liked the idea of going in a stadium, with all riders starting level. of course we could all pick no-hopers in the field. (except jerzy of course), he shocked everybody. yes, agree, riders became out of contention by half time. consistency can win you the world title now, but you still needed consistency in the old system too, you didn't just appear in the final. I don't disagree with you in what you say at all, its just a preference. I prefer speedway in the 70s, I don't think it was better quality, theres loads of factors, but again it may be a generation thing Why not have a Grand Prix like we have and an individual World Champion like we used to have . Then everybody would be happy. Darts have both 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 9 hours ago, BWitcher said: Your argument makes no sense at all I'm afraid. In the one offs, after a couple of rides over half the field are out of contention.. after three rides, even more. They didn't have to 'chase' anything.. and often didn't. Care to explain how the format favours 'certain' riders? You mean the ones scoring the most pts? On the other hand. It's quite farcical that a rider scores say 5 pts less than another rider over 5 rides, but then scrapes into the semis and ends up on the rostrum. where the other rider bombs out at the semi stage. So you have the ridicules situation, where the rider who has scored the most points is not declared the winner!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, iris123 said: Totally wrong about wildcards.Think riders were even given byes into the actual world finals.And some riders only had to do 1 or 2 rounds whilst others 4,5 or6 My recollection is that the only riders every automatically seeded to the final were the defending champions and that only applied for a few years in the 50's. That hardly compares to the top 8 now automatically qualifying in the GP's. You may be right about the number of qualifying rounds although again it isn't my recollection, perhaps you can provide some details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Aces51 said: My recollection is that the only riders every automatically seeded to the final were the defending champions and that only applied for a few years in the 50's. That hardly compares to the top 8 now automatically qualifying in the GP's. You may be right about the number of qualifying rounds although again it isn't my recollection, perhaps you can provide some details. Well how did the Polish riders qualify for the 1973 final?Swedish riders did have qualifiers for some of their finals,but how many meetings did they ride?Whereas how many meetings did some of the continental riders do or some British(Australian/NZ)riders do when the final wasn’t at Wembley Plus I was answering a post that said there were no wc’s and you have confirmed there were,no matter how short the period was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, tyler42 said: On the other hand. It's quite farcical that a rider scores say 5 pts less than another rider over 5 rides, but then scrapes into the semis and ends up on the rostrum. where the other rider bombs out at the semi stage. So you have the ridicules situation, where the rider who has scored the most points is not declared the winner!! No it isn't farcical at all. Not in the tiniest bit. Next you'll be telling us how you were watching a GP in the pub and the whole pub fell down laughing at the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, adonis said: go on Bwitcher show your complete lack of integrity by bringing my son into it , you really are a disgusting creature . I didn't. You did in your original xenophobic rant about Aussies some years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 12 hours ago, teijahn said: Getting female commentators out of a (man's) sport (trackside as well) that they have no competitive experience in would be a real good start. There are enough good ex riders about whose knowledge and experience give them an insight to track conditions and racing that could enable the bimbo like questions and opinions to be replaced with intelligent comment. Natalie Quirk is at least as good and probably a better and more knowledgeable presenter than almost all of her male predecessors. I'll agree that most of the pits interviews are bordering on banal, but who really cares if it is a male or female interviewer? All I want is sensible questions from someone who knows what they are talking about 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, BWitcher said: No it isn't farcical at all. Not in the tiniest bit. Next you'll be telling us how you were watching a GP in the pub and the whole pub fell down laughing at the situation. Why would i be watching the GP in pub. Very strange comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I didn't. You did in your original xenophobic rant about Aussies some years ago. no i didn't .I have never done that ,more crap you have made up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, tyler42 said: Why would i be watching the GP in pub. Very strange comment. nothing unusual here .Bwitcher inventing something to suit his argument . now forever and a day he'll be posting the same invention as if you said you were in the pub yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, adonis said: there you go again using world titles as a yard stick , and as for first turns what have you been watching because you have completely missed the master first turn bully Doyle , You'll struggle to find any mention of the World Titles making him the best British rider in my post. Best British rider is what I said and what I meant, irrespective of World titles although you don't get them by being lucky in a GP series. Woffinden is a much better first turn rider, Doyle is very hard and usually comes out of it well when it is 50/50, Woffinden has the skill to come out of it well when behind whether that's his bad gate or the track. I rate Doyle very highly when it comes to determination and hard riding and like watching him ride but he's a little behind a couple of the other top guys when it comes to skill in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Vince said: You'll struggle to find any mention of the World Titles making him the best British rider in my post. Best British rider is what I said and what I meant, irrespective of World titles although you don't get them by being lucky in a GP series. Woffinden is a much better first turn rider, Doyle is very hard and usually comes out of it well when it is 50/50, Woffinden has the skill to come out of it well when behind whether that's his bad gate or the track. I rate Doyle very highly when it comes to determination and hard riding and like watching him ride but he's a little behind a couple of the other top guys when it comes to skill in my opinion. So you do, actually think Woffinden is the best british rider ever ................ well leave it that then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, adonis said: So you do, actually think Woffinden is the best british rider ever ................ well leave it that then Is he the most exciting? Probably not, that would be Loram or PC or Morton or Lee Is the most naturally gifted rider? Again probably not Does he work hard, train hard, mentally prepare himself the right way? 100% Does he give 100% dedication to being the best he can be? Absolutely And yes of course we can in some way use world titles as a yardstick be foolish not to. I cant stand Havvy never have done but those who say he was lucky must realise that in 1992 he was the most dominating rider of the year.......do i think he is as good as say Lee, Collins, or Loram, all one time winners then no i dont. Would the achivements of Havvy rank above Carter and Morton and Jessup then in my opinion yes they would. Who was better to watch and had more ability, Jimmy White or Steve Davis? Jimmy White did..........but Steve Davis won far more My list of the top ten english riders ive seen ride would be as follows: 1. WOFFINDEN 2. PETER COLLINS 3. MICHAEL LEE 4. MARK LORAM 5. GARY HAVELOCK 6.KENNY CARTER 7. DAVE JESSUP 8. SIMON WIGG 9. KELVIN TATUM 10. CHRIS MORTON, JOE SCREEN & SCOTT NICHOLLS (all purely on being talented motorcyclists and in Nicholls case 7 times British Champ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 hours ago, iris123 said: Totally wrong about wildcards.Think riders were even given byes into the actual world finals.And some riders only had to do 1 or 2 rounds whilst others 4,5 or6 I don't recall riders given byes into the final? not saying you are wrong, just don't remember that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, mickthemuppet said: Why not have a Grand Prix like we have and an individual World Champion like we used to have . Then everybody would be happy. Darts have both I think you are misunderstanding things a little; there is no "Grand Prix" system. There is a single knockout tournament called the "World Grand Prix" that is a PDC major alongside the World Championship and the World Matchplay. Steve Edited September 23, 2018 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, ColinMills said: I don't recall riders given byes into the final? not saying you are wrong, just don't remember that It was never applied consistently, but it did happen on occasion. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Well how did the Polish riders qualify for the 1973 final?Swedish riders did have qualifiers for some of their finals,but how many meetings did they ride?Whereas how many meetings did some of the continental riders do or some British(Australian/NZ)riders do when the final wasn’t at Wembley Plus I was answering a post that said there were no wc’s and you have confirmed there were,no matter how short the period was You've also confirmed that the wild cards were virtually non existent, possibly at most 4 or 5 in over 40 years when compared to the numbers in the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Aces51 said: You've also confirmed that the wild cards were virtually non existent, possibly at most 4 or 5 in over 40 years when compared to the numbers in the GP's. It doesn’t matter.Someone was arguing wild cards didn’t exist.Both you and I know they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 15 hours ago, JCookie said: Fair play, not a fan of Woffinden but he's streets ahead of anyone else this year. Just a shame to see him so nonchalant about winning it, he's virtually guaranteed yet another world title and he seems like he couldn't care less. He cares immensely he also knows there is still work to be done you don't count your chickens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, shadowfax said: He cares immensely he also knows there is still work to be done you don't count your chickens think you will see his proper reaction once its mathematically safe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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