ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, chunky said: Doesn't matter. ALL riders have the same opportunity to score the points. Trouble is, these days people think that doing exactly what the supporters want is more important than being fair to the riders. Do we want the BEST rider to win, or do we prefer a lottery? Steve if we want the BEST rider to win what would be the point? sport is about having major upsets, the underdog..drama (look at mauger falling at Wembley) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Andy Downes said: Adonis - I don't know how old you are but if like me, you have been a fan of the sport for 30 years or more, I think you tend to remember riders from earlier periods more fondly and rate them higher than current day riders. It's not Woffy's fault that bikes are now set up like rocket ships, competing on slick tracks and the argument that modern riders couldn't deal with the amount of shale or different bikes will always be a hypothetical one. You can only race and beat what is around you at the time and I would argue that the successful riding styles are almost unrecognisable to those of say the 70's or 80's which in turn are totally different to those in the 30's and 40's (if the action in Once a Jolly Swagman is anything to go by) . You would like to think a top rider of one period though could adapt to the style of another era. At the end of the day though it's all about opinions, I respect yours but I don't agree with it. Adonis hates all Aussies Andy and he considers Tai to be an Aussie. He blames them for his sons lack of success as a speedway rider. Edited September 22, 2018 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, adonis said: I'll do it . all you need to do is say it like it is . more than enough controversial for the rose tinted glasses brigade 'say it like it is' rules you out immediately. Otherwise you'd have to say Woffinden is the best British rider ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, ColinMills said: if we want the BEST rider to win what would be the point? sport is about having major upsets, the underdog..drama (look at mauger falling at Wembley) If you don't want a fair system, that is up to you. I just find it sad when people want ability and and success to count for nothing. Just do a series of coin flips; at least nobody will get injured, and they could save money on an air fence! Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, chunky said: If you don't want a fair system, that is up to you. I just find it sad when people want ability and and success to count for nothing. Just do a series of coin flips; at least nobody will get injured, and they could save money on an air fence! Steve I happen to of seen both one off world finals and gp titles. I happen to prefer one off...matter of choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Just now, ColinMills said: I happen to of seen both one off world finals and gp titles. I happen to prefer one off...matter of choice That's fine, but the World Speedway Championship is designed to find the best speedway rider in the world, not to please Colin Mills... I preferred the World Finals, but I am perfectly okay with a GP system that generally provides a much stronger competition overall, and reduces the luck factor. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, ColinMills said: never been a fan of the gp era, but that's probably cos im old school. don't like the fact riders can "settle" for places. in the one offs you would chase everything to be world champion. the format favours certain riders. but hey, a brit leads the charge, and obviously happy with that, and im all for woffy chasing a record breaking world title total Your argument makes no sense at all I'm afraid. In the one offs, after a couple of rides over half the field are out of contention.. after three rides, even more. They didn't have to 'chase' anything.. and often didn't. Care to explain how the format favours 'certain' riders? You mean the ones scoring the most pts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Adonis hates all Aussies Andy and he considers Tai to be an Aussie. He blames them for his sons lack of success as a speedway rider. Interesting who is his son? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, BWitcher said: Your argument makes no sense at all I'm afraid. In the one offs, after a couple of rides over half the field are out of contention.. after three rides, even more. They didn't have to 'chase' anything.. and often didn't. Care to explain how the format favours 'certain' riders? You mean the ones scoring the most pts? of course, I liked the idea of going in a stadium, with all riders starting level. of course we could all pick no-hopers in the field. (except jerzy of course), he shocked everybody. yes, agree, riders became out of contention by half time. consistency can win you the world title now, but you still needed consistency in the old system too, you didn't just appear in the final. I don't disagree with you in what you say at all, its just a preference. I prefer speedway in the 70s, I don't think it was better quality, theres loads of factors, but again it may be a generation thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, chunky said: That's fine, but the World Speedway Championship is designed to find the best speedway rider in the world, not to please Colin Mills... I preferred the World Finals, but I am perfectly okay with a GP system that generally provides a much stronger competition overall, and reduces the luck factor. Steve is this even worth an answer? it was a preference!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Im sure his nicknames airfence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ColinMills said: is this even worth an answer? it was a preference!! I'm not worried about your preference. You stated that, "If we want the BEST rider to win what would be the point?" What is the point of having sporting competitions and contest if they are NOT designed to find the BEST competitor? If an individual or team is the BEST over a contest (or series of contests), why should they not be rewarded for that? If we want "winners" at random, based on luck rather than skill, then why do we put in the effort to be better, faster, more accurate, than everybody else? If that doesn't merit rewards, then everything is worthless... Steve Edited September 22, 2018 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, chunky said: That's fine, but the World Speedway Championship is designed to find the best speedway rider in the world, not to please Colin Mills... I preferred the World Finals, but I am perfectly okay with a GP system that generally provides a much stronger competition overall, and reduces the luck factor. Steve so is the play offs designed for the best team to win the league??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, chunky said: I'm not worried about your preference. You stated that, "If we want the BEST rider to win what would be the point?" What is the point of having sporting competitions and contest if they are NOT designed to find the BEST competitor? If an individual or team is the BEST over a contest (or series of contests), why should they not be rewarded for that? If we want "winners" at random, based on luck rather than skill, then why do we put in the effort to be better, faster, more accurate, than everybody else? If that doesn't merit rewards, then everything is worthless... Steve the league title can be won with a bit of luck under the current format! a team can go unbeaten, yet turn up in a play off, and one crash can lose you the title!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Just now, ColinMills said: so is the play offs designed for the best team to win the league??????? No, and that is why I don't like them! Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 minute ago, chunky said: No, and that is why I don't like them! Steve nice we agree on this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 It always strikes me as odd that many of those who prefer the one off world finals, where you qualify and then it's all down to a final where everyone starts equal, prefer that the team finishing with most points accumulated over a season should win the league title and those who prefer the GP's, where the rider who gets the most points over a season wins, prefer the play offs where you qualify and then it's all down to a final where both teams start equal. Logically, you might expect those who prefer the one off world final to prefer the play offs and those who prefer the GP's to prefer the team that finishes top of the league to win the title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just now, ColinMills said: nice we agree on this A league/GP/round robin format is designed to find the best - and most consistent - over the period of that system. A knockout system is designed to find the best on each individual occasion. People keep on about, "But they have playoffs in football!" Yes, they do, but NOT for a league title... Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 Playoff's you can blame U.S. T.V. for..... Or the viewers, who watch it. Not sure what it has to do with GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 23, 2018 Report Share Posted September 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, chunky said: People keep on about, "But they have playoffs in football!" Yes, they do, but NOT for a league title... But it is the only Sport where the league isn't decided by Play Offs I watch. - I don't watch any format of Cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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