Najjer Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Rules are rules at the end of the day.. But if all the promotors agree to a weeks extension it would be in the interest of the sport .But we all know 1 that wouldn't. If it was Poole in that position I imagine you would see Ford's dummy half way out of his pram, playing the time to leave the club card like he did when Poole looked crap. People moan about Buster as chairman, but he looks like he is going to loose a lot of money by sticking by the rules. Could you see Ford as chairman doing the same.. It'd be within Poole's interest that Kings Lynn make the play offs I expect, seen as they've battered them recently at Wimborne Road. I always thought of you as being a decent poster until recently where you've posted some absolute nonsense to dig at Poole/Matt Ford. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, ray c said: The playoffs have always gone into october you must be new to speedway or got a poor memory Not at all, but I don’t want to spend more time than necessary watching speedway in the autumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: We have had a long dry summer. No reason to extend at all. Clubs could have planned better to fit fixtures in gefore panicking as time ran out. Think back to all those weeks when no fixtures were run. The playoff dates should not be moved imo. Clubs should simply plan their fixtures better. Couldn't agree more - with so few fixtures to complete these days and tracks going weeks without meetings (when the weather has been dry) I think they should be dishing out fines to any club who fails to complete their 12 home fixtures in virtually 6 months! Still it's nothing unusual we seem to have the same issue every year! Edited August 15, 2018 by WembleyLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Najjer said: It'd be within Poole's interest that Kings Lynn make the play offs I expect, seen as they've battered them recently at Wimborne Road. I always thought of you as being a decent poster until recently where you've posted some absolute nonsense to dig at Poole/Matt Ford. When Shuv didn't read Lamdo's tweet properly, and called for him to be banned hissed me off and then him saying that the Poole fans who posted they saw the oil being tipped on the track and it was not a leak should of kept their mouths shut its terrible imo. I'm nearly back my my old self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Najjer said: It'd be within Poole's interest that Kings Lynn make the play offs I expect, seen as they've battered them recently at Wimborne Road. I always thought of you as being a decent poster until recently where you've posted some absolute nonsense to dig at Poole/Matt Ford. Not sure about that Kings Lynn have changed there team since that meeting and anyway I believe Kings Lynn are much better than they showed that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, g13webb said: How do you make that out? Before FRN there were at least 4/5 days a week when team could arrange their racenights, now we have only 2. With there being only 7 teams there will always be a team spare with no fixture. That alone magnifies the problem of available dates. You say last year you got all your fixture in, but I remember you one rode 4 meetings in 9 days, that is something you wouldn't to able to do this year, so Swindon would have been in the same position than, as teams are now. Unlike a lot of posters on here, I try to be positive and think of the bigger picture. I see no sense for a team to compete in a league all year, only to be deprived of a PO because of fixture congestion. The sport struggles to be taken serious by the general public, yet we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot. This is not about KL, Poole, Somerset or any of the other teams, is about making decisions for the benefit of the sport . And if the 'Powers of B' cant do that, then each of us must question our sanity of supporting our teams in the first instance.... Again you only see one side of a problem. Just because Somerset has offered dates, it doesn't make them right or wrong. Obviously these dates were not convenient or else they would have been arranged. But no doubt Buster, would have offered an alternative , but these were not convenient either. It is so easy to be judgemental when hearing only one side of an argument. The fixtures last from the beginning of April until the end of August. With Mondays and Wednesdays, that's 22 weeks to fit in 14 (say 13 with Rye House now out) home fixtures. Two days a week in which to do it. That's 44 dates. 44 dates to fit in 13 home matches. Why can't all the teams manage that? I'm not defending Swindon's scheduling either. It was appallingly bad last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 It might be good for the sport providing the punters turn up. Too many promoters looking after number one and the lack of cooperation is evident. Also give a thought to those fans who have lost money on hotels and booked holidays around fixtures only to find them changed at the last minute (not because of weather) without a second thought by the promoters. All have had adequate time to get their house in order and most have failed miserably. If it down to overseas commitments, that is another issue that needs to dealt with, if it is the double up then that confirms FRN etc. Is not working. No extension is the fairest way. What happens if they did and it peed down that week. Another extension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 I wonder if Poole were miles behind on their fixtures, would people be calling for an extension, somehow don't think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: I wonder if Poole were miles behind on their fixtures, would people be calling for an extension, somehow don't think so Just the same as poole fans calling fot no extension just saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: I wonder if Poole were miles behind on their fixtures, would people be calling for an extension, somehow don't think so We always ride a lot of our meetings early on so unlikely to happen to Poole, not saying it couldn't happen but unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Its the away team that has refused Somersets dates. Of course it depends how many dates have been offered and how many alternative dates from Lynn that Somerset refused. An independent independent who decides when meetings take place might be the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grachan said: The fixtures last from the beginning of April until the end of August. With Mondays and Wednesdays, that's 22 weeks to fit in 14 (say 13 with Rye House now out) home fixtures. Two days a week in which to do it. That's 44 dates. 44 dates to fit in 13 home matches. Why can't all the teams manage that? I'm not defending Swindon's scheduling either. It was appallingly bad last year. They had 66 dates as Britain's TWO days were actually THREE... That they included Wednesday didn't actually help though as so many meetings must have been unable to be arranged due to Denmark's legimate claim to run meetings on that particular night... You then have Championship teams having many long standing meetings being pulled on a whim, and this too will adversely effect any planning between now and the cut off dates, as they too will need to rearrange and possibly have to ride on 'off nights'. Causing even more Guestfest nonsense due to all three Leagues using the same riders... Causing even more lack of credibility for the very titles they race for... Causing even more fan dissilusionment and apathy in the competitions..... Causing even more gaps on ever emptying terraces... Will British Speedway ever decide to run itself properly, or have they simply thrown in the towel and given up? Edited August 15, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Judging by post number 4on this thread it seems pretty clear that most think there should be no extention. And rightly so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grachan said: The fixtures last from the beginning of April until the end of August. With Mondays and Wednesdays, that's 22 weeks to fit in 14 (say 13 with Rye House now out) home fixtures. Two days a week in which to do it. That's 44 dates. 44 dates to fit in 13 home matches. Why can't all the teams manage that? I'm not defending Swindon's scheduling either. It was appallingly bad last year. ' 44 dates to fit in 13 home meetings' You make it sound so simple, but in doing so you forget to mention the 12 away meetings that have to come into that equation as well. Lets not forget the 20% of those dates when each team has to be a spare because of the odd number of teams , and that then sure puts a different outlook on your simple equation...…. I believe it is wrong to alter rules, but looking at the league placings , no team is home and dry and all have plenty of fixtures to fit in before the end, All we need in another crap week of weather and every team will be in the mess. This problem is not solely the fault of individual promoters it is the fault of everybody involved with the way the sport is run... Edited August 15, 2018 by g13webb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, g13webb said: ' 44 dates to fit in 13 home meetings' You make it sound so simple, but in doing so you forget to mention the 12 away meetings that have to come intothat OK. 32 dates for 13 home meetings then. I don't know how it is at King's Lynn, but at Swindon there seem to be plenty of dates where there has been no speedway when there could have been. So much so that fans get frustrated by it. Edited August 15, 2018 by Grachan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: I can't see it being extended, BT would say no tv meetings again if you can't keep to the schedule especially as weather cannot be held up as a factor given the summer we have had. The BSPA have fiercely resisted this idea in the past few years and I fail to see why they should do it this year, clubs have had more than enough time to sort dates out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Grachan said: OK. 32 dates for 13 home meetings then. I don't know how it is at King's Lynn, but at Swindon there seem to be plenty of dates where there has been no speedway when there could have been. So much so that fans get frustrated by it. Agreed, gaps of two or three weeks without a home meeting, yet we have run most of ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: We have had a long dry summer. No reason to extend at all. Clubs could have planned better to fit fixtures in gefore panicking as time ran out. Think back to all those weeks when no fixtures were run. The playoff dates should not be moved imo. Clubs should simply plan their fixtures better. Can't agree with this more, no reason to extend play-off dates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 All this talk next season of 'one big league' will be an embarresment when half the fixtures aren't run. I know the Easter period was a right off because of the snow and aftermath, but with the summer we have had there is no excuse at all. Fixed race nights should only have helped the cause for rider availability so it is an absolute joke to be scrambling to fit fixtures in right now before the cut off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 because of fixed race nights the team you want to ride is already riding another team like last thursday when we had to ride on a of night we was slagged off . fixed dont work in that situation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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